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Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by chrisseaton on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @07:14PM (#31589353)
> The quality of posts

On Marketplace?! This blows my mind that you think this. It's a chaotic nightmare. Sellers post everything as free and then separately negotiate a price. Buyers repeatedly ask you if something's still available. Both of these mean something's very wrong with how people understand to use the system.

Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by jamesfinlayson on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @09:28PM (#31590265)
I've never used Facebook Marketplace but whenever I see some preview in my Facebook it's just bikini shots (apparently the skinny attractive women are selling the bikinis that they're wearing).
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by lokar on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @07:52PM (#31589611)
Also, how does a buyer including the text "money order" not trigger automatic fraud enforcement?
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by AlbertCory on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @08:04PM (#31589719)
craigslist also has this problem, and it does seem pretty easily fixable, to my naive eyes:

someone has said "your price is fair, my agent will be over to pick it up with a cashier's check" for every single thing I've sold on craigslist. I don't think filtering out scumbags like this is a terribly hard problem.

Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by MichaelBurge on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @08:16PM (#31589802)
Is the cashier's check fake? What happens if you meet them at the listed bank and ask them to convert it to cash right there?
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by dreamcompiler on Thursday June 02, 2022 @12:26AM (#31591339)
Yes, the cashier's check is fake. And they will never meet you at the originating bank. I've even had cashier's checks mailed to me from my Craigslist ads. Called the originating banks and they verified over the phone that the checks were fake.

When I sell something on Craigslist, it's cash-only and they have to meet me at a public place and pick up the item in person. And I verify the bills are not counterfeit before I hand over the item.

This is what it's come to. Probably because the police can't be bothered with minor fraud nowadays, and the criminals know it.

Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by sgerenser on Thursday June 02, 2022 @08:11AM (#31593866)
Our local police station has a parking lot next to it with a big sign that says “online purchase transaction point” or something to that effect. There are cameras monitoring the lot. Just suggesting meeting at said location is usually sufficient to clear out the scammers.
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by AlbertCory on Thursday June 02, 2022 @11:08AM (#31595819)
That's fantastic. I've never heard of that.
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by chrisseaton on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @08:25PM (#31589862)
Why would any reputable person be dealing with a cashier’s cheque in this century?
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by dreamcompiler on Thursday June 02, 2022 @06:16PM (#31601225)
The last few times I've bought cars I used a cashier's check on a local bank. Car dealers don't like credit cards because they don't want to pay a 3%-5% fee on a $35K purchase.
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by krallja on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @11:33PM (#31591013)
Earlier in this century they were often required when signing an apartment lease in the NYC metro area.
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by alsetmusic on Thursday June 02, 2022 @11:53AM (#31596415)
I had to get one literally yesterday for my security deposit on a new apartment. This is in SF Bay Area.
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by AlbertCory on Thursday June 02, 2022 @01:42AM (#31591746)
You can find stories about this. I don't have the link, but we have Google for that.

Basically, the bank will cash it, and days later, discover it's fake and demand that YOU give them the money back. There's a time delay which the scumbags are exploiting.

Cops put "financial crimes" way down their priority list.

Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by MichaelBurge on Thursday June 02, 2022 @03:11PM (#31599283)
If the cashier's bank is from Wells Fargo and you meet them at Wells Fargo, surely WF is able to check the authenticity of their own checks immediately?
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by chrisseaton on Thursday June 02, 2022 @05:05PM (#31600494)
Why would you go through this ceremony rather than just making a bank transfer?
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by MichaelBurge on Thursday June 02, 2022 @06:38PM (#31601433)
If you receive a wire transfer to a burner checking account that only accepts deposits and not withdrawals, that would be fine.

I think the only risk there would be identity theft leading to payment with stolen money, but they're almost certain to get caught so it's fine.

If that's a concern: If you make sure the transfer comes from a business checking account, they only have 24 hours to report the fraud before the business is on the hook for the stolen money and not you(I think). I'm not sure if personal vs. business are externally-distinguishable in an automated way, however.

Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by dazbradbury on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @07:55PM (#31589638)
Plus the scams. There are tonnes and tonnes of them that get reported to us every day. I'm not sure what Facebook are doing to combat it, but it's clearly not working.
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by tmp_anon_22 on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @08:20PM (#31589830)
Plus the obviously stolen goods.
Re:Sheryl Sandberg stepping down as Facebook COO by nickysielicki on Thursday June 02, 2022 @11:56AM (#31596450)
I think they are dealing with the inherited culture of Craigslist. Craigslist was such a clusterfuck for so many years, and had such a monopoly, that it has essentially defined what it is to do individual-to-individual noncommercial online commerce. The low balling and the attitude of some posters stems from there, because everyone thinks “that’s just how you are supposed to act when you sell something online.”

For every seller doing things the old way, there’s a handful of people doing things the cordial and respectful way, putting an effort into it. It’s getting better. You do have to learn how to read the page, but I don’t see how they could fix that.