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Re:California parents could soon sue for social media addiction by jmyeet on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @08:29PM (#31512751)
What I've come to realize in recent years is there are an awful lot of people who have children who don't want to be parents. It's like they don't even like children but it seems like they're running down a Life checklist of things you should do.

Or maybe they like the idea of having adult children? I really don't know.

But I know so many people who don't actually like spending time with their children. I get some people actually have to work a lot but it's a shallow analysis to blame it on that (IMHO).

So expectations tend to be super-high. Their children often have to go to Ivy League schools. They themselvves need to save north of $500k+ to pay for that blue blood education. These people will bemaon the high cost of raising children while living in a 7000 sq ft 6 bedroom house with their 2 children, paying $50k/year to send each of those children to private schools and so on.

And while you can argue those things have value (I actually think that's debatable at best), the net effect is that these people actually seem to spend little time with their children. After awhile it occurs to you that's the point.

I feel like an awful lot of people are motivated by living vicariously through their children too. "I'm going to give my child the opportunities I never had". That sort of thing.

As far as social media goes, it's easy to say "don't allow your children on social media" but my guess is it's mostly childless people saying that. Those growing up now are connected socially to their peers through these networks. No social media is a form of forced social exclusion that's pretty all-encompassing. It's a hard problem.

I'd say, if anything, the problem starts way earlier than that. I actually think in an ideal world a child wouldn't even see an electronic screen (TV, phone, tablet, computer) before they're like 8 years old. That's pretty unrealistic though.

One issue with social media is because of US laws most networks are age-restricted. Some to 18 and over. Others to 13 and up. We all know that people lie and use them anyway. Where does responsibility for this lie? With the companies? The parents? I really don't know.

It does seem easy to scapegoat companies for these issues though.

Re:California parents could soon sue for social media addiction by falcolas on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @08:35PM (#31512797)
> It does seem easy to scapegoat companies for these issues though

When the addictive factor is deliberately manufactured into a product (AKA engagement), the company absolutely bears some (IMO, a large amount of) responsibility.

Re:California parents could soon sue for social media addiction by akersten on Thursday May 26, 2022 @03:03AM (#31515518)
> When the addictive factor is deliberately manufactured into a product (AKA engagement)

So, every product from every company ever. That's the goal of marketing, after all. Why not extend this law for everyone? Why can't I sue Lego because my son keeps insisting I buy them, or why can't I sue Budweiser because I keep finding myself buying their booze?

It's an unfairly targeted law to win easy political points, because everyone hates big social right now, but everyone loves Lego.

Re:California parents could soon sue for social media addiction by MichaelZuo on Thursday May 26, 2022 @06:16PM (#31523974)
Spot on! These folks arguing for that kind of regulation, along with associated enforcement bureaucracy, are really arguing against freedom in the end. They may not have put 2+2 together yet, but I bet a lot of them haven't actually thought things beyond 1st order effects.

And considering the forum, a credible argument for everyone to sacrifice some of their freedom needs to clear a way higher bar.

Re:California parents could soon sue for social media addiction by jquery on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @09:14PM (#31513074)
Indeed, some of the smartest individuals in the world are hyper-optimizing their products for addictive properties with multi-armed bandit optimization strategies. The average overworked parent doesn’t have a chance in comparison.

If this law isn’t perfect and has some unintended side effects, we can adjust and stay flexible.

Re:California parents could soon sue for social media addiction by 9ghgy on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @11:01PM (#31513897)
Hard disagree, this reeks of HN bias in my opinion in that the problem is clearly how disproportionately awesome tech and tech companies are. The problem is lazy parents. Everything described is a reasonable defense for why the product might be addictive but not for why parents are somehow unable to bar their child from it nor does it explain why parents are unwilling to take these measures. The reality from what I've seen of other parents at my children's schools is that most come at technology with the boomer mentality that treats having to learn new things as some sort of arduous feat and not a basic expectation of being a responsible caretaker.
Re:California parents could soon sue for social media addiction by prawn on Thursday May 26, 2022 @01:11AM (#31514852)
Having children is generally a timebound thing. As can be a career, often within the same time period as raising children. It's not like people can retire and think "OK, time to have kids!" This conjunction inevitably creates tension and exhaustion.

Being an engaged parent is great fun, but it's intensive. Trying to be an engaged parent while juggling a heavy workload is especially difficult; people find solace at the office because almost anything is easier. In an era where work follows you everywhere - I work past midnight most nights when the kids are sleeping and for parts of most weekends - the tension is hard to escape.

I don't think most people don't want or resent their kids, just that it's another thing pulling you in more directions.

Do you have kids of your own?

Re:California parents could soon sue for social media addiction by UberFly on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @10:26PM (#31513554)
That's a very jaundiced view of parents. The problem is that social media is ubiquitous and eventually kids will be introduced to it overwhelmingly. Unless your child is repressed and not allowed around other kids, etc it's going to be a part of their daily lives. If social media companies are predatory towards minors it'll continue to get worse. Parents are trying, believe me but it's a loosing battle.
Re:California parents could soon sue for social media addiction by tintedfireglass on Thursday May 26, 2022 @11:24PM (#31525724)
I am a high school student and I haven't used social media (insta/fb/tiktok/snapchat). I keep in touch with my friends on whatsapp, voice calling(yes that exists) and offline.

When we were online we used to talk on zoom/Google Meet whatever. I didn't feel any loss not being with my friends on social media.

Re:California parents could soon sue for social media addiction by RC_ITR on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @09:30PM (#31513186)
There are certain scenarios where our biological instincts and our desire for society collide and this is one.

Having kids is literally hardwired into most people’s brains, even if it’s an illogical choice for them.

Re:California parents could soon sue for social media addiction by derevaunseraun on Thursday May 26, 2022 @05:02AM (#31516187)
> One issue with social media is because of US laws most networks are age-restricted. Some to 18 and over. Others to 13 and up. We all know that people lie and use them anyway. Where does responsibility for this lie? With the companies? The parents? I really don't know.

If they start requiring some sort of government issued ID for age verification for the services in question, those services might as well go up in flames. It's easier just to find or create an alternative that isn't affected by the legislation

Re:California parents could soon sue for social media addiction by saturnaga on Thursday May 26, 2022 @08:24AM (#31517431)
The irony is that many I know don't have time for their children because they are hopelessly addicted to social media themselves.