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Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by freediver on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @07:42PM (#31512339)
I think the argument is if they dont have a gun, they will ram a truck or have a bomb - will find ways.

The real question is that of motive - why innocent children in the first place? USA has more than an epidemic of mass shootings, it has an epidemic of school shootings. Where does the urge to do such an evil thing come from?

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by dragontamer on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @07:49PM (#31512413)
> I think the argument is if they dont have a gun, they will ram a truck or have a bomb - will find ways.

The literal argument, from 3 posts ago, was that they'd find a knife.

Now that I've destroyed the "knife" argument, people are making newer arguments... unironically moving goalposts back. In any case, cars and truck attacks can't kill people inside of elementary schools. The school would block the bulk of the damage. Or you put concrete barriers to protect the school from the road (which is needed for accidents / vehicles that lost control anyway)

> Were does the urge to do such an evil thing come from?

Why are you changing the argument? The evil is innate to us and worldwide.

Why should that evil be equipped with a gun in this country? Other countries, they're forced to make due with weaker weapons, such as cars, trucks, or knives.

If we cannot stop the evil, then we mitigate it.

My overall point: "They'll find a knife" is a bad counterargument. "They'll find a knife" is the very point of gun-restrictions, we cut back upon the worst damage they these mass killers can do.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by freediver on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @08:47PM (#31512872)
It is OK to "destroy arguments" if that is what you wish to do, my goal is that of intellectual investigation.

> The evil is innate to us and worldwide.

Prevailance of school shootings in US show that this kind of evil is indeed not innate worldwide. It is strongly rooted in United States. Nowehere else in the world people with access to firearams choose to end innocent children's lives at such scale. This is what troubles me.

Availability of guns is not unique to USA but using those guns to kill innocent children at super-unproportional scale is. Why?

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by dragontamer on Thursday May 26, 2022 @12:19AM (#31514489)
> Availability of guns is not unique to USA but using those guns to kill innocent children at super-unproportional scale is. Why?

If you don't have the answer to that question, the obvious solution is to remove the gun from the equation until you can answer the question.

Re:Mental illness, mass shootings, and the politics of Ameri... by klyrs on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @10:08PM (#31513418)
Ramming a truck into a school isn't terribly effective. Competent bomb-making is quite rare, especially without taking the care to test and refine one's skill; such tests are rather attention-getting. Compare to a gun; a few hundred bucks and you get a point&click kill device that doesn't require any training.

Motive is an interesting question, but I think it's worthwhile to consider means as well.