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Re:New England's Largest Battery Is Hidden Inside a Mass. Mo... by ge96 on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @05:54PM (#31511144)
I wonder... What if you used a transparent container that utilized the sun to add pressure during the day while it's being used then pump it at night(cooler). Worth the effort for noticeable gain or no?
Re:New England's Largest Battery Is Hidden Inside a Mass. Mo... by hp48fan on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @09:03PM (#31512996)
My guess is that the cycle efficiency would be a simple Carnot cycle, and since the delta(T) is small the efficiency would be minuscule and you never measure the difference, never mind pay back the glass.

Your better off putting floating solar panels on top

Re:New England's Largest Battery Is Hidden Inside a Mass. Mo... by jakzurr on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @11:25PM (#31514085)
Not Carnot, it's mechanical. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricit...

It's not 100%, but it's not bad.

Re:New England's Largest Battery Is Hidden Inside a Mass. Mo... by olau on Thursday May 26, 2022 @04:42AM (#31516092)
The comment you're replying to is discussing using heat for pressure, not electrical pumps.
Re:New England's Largest Battery Is Hidden Inside a Mass. Mo... by jakzurr on Thursday May 26, 2022 @07:22AM (#31517041)
Ah, you're absolutely right, that was my mistake. hp48fan seems correct that it would make a minuscule difference.
Re:New England's Largest Battery Is Hidden Inside a Mass. Mo... by 41b696ef1113 on Thursday May 26, 2022 @12:03AM (#31514359)
Are floating solar panels a thing? My naive assumption is that (most places) land is abundant enough that you can put solar panels everywhere. Dealing with the nature-hates-you-engineering of working with water seems like a method of last resort.
Re:New England's Largest Battery Is Hidden Inside a Mass. Mo... by ZeroGravitas on Thursday May 26, 2022 @09:16AM (#31517933)
You get co-benefits of reducing water evaporation and plant growth (some places just use plastic balls for this same purpose) on the water side and on the solar side you get some cooling which increases efficiency.

For existing dams the ability to share the existing connections in an area that probably isn't flat except for the water is neat.

Re:New England's Largest Battery Is Hidden Inside a Mass. Mo... by supertrope on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @07:31PM (#31512241)
Pumped hydro energy storage is already low specific energy. Compressed air and lifting large masses are even less economical schemes.

It may be cheaper to just offer time of use pricing to incentivize demand response. EV charging, washing machines, and dishwashers use timers to shift demand to off-peak hours. HVAC and water heaters can be connected via smart grid switches or thermostats. Precooling or preheating can be exploited. During the highest demand days temperatures can be relaxed or units can be duty cycled by splitting customers' units into four groups A B C D and running each for 15 min. to smooth out a soften a sharp spike in total demand.

Re:New England's Largest Battery Is Hidden Inside a Mass. Mo... by gwbas1c on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @09:47PM (#31513289)
They pump during the day when solar is strong. (The nuclear plants are long decommissioned.) The pumps would fight the pressure.