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Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by stavros on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:19PM (#31496396)
Yes! I can't wait for all my plastic keyboards/monitors/furniture/phones to start rotting.
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by AlexandrB on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:22PM (#31496432)
As with wood, I think this will only be an issue for goods left in life-friendly environments (like outdoors). It seems unlikely that your monitor would rot on your desk in your climate-controlled house, just like the desk itself doesn't rot.
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by riffraff on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:52PM (#31496787)
But the desk is also treated with various things so it doesn't rot, isn't it?

And woodbugs still eat old furniture.

Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by bdamm on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:22PM (#31497128)
Wood generally doesn't rot unless it gets wet. Wood is typically treated so that if it gets wet there is a mechanism to prevent fungi from eating it. Painting it, for example, causes the water to slide off the wood before the underlying wood can get wet. But even a tiny puncture of that paint will expose the wood to rot causing fungi that float in the air everywhere. Most wood already has rot causing fungi inside of it, all you need to do to activate it is add water.

Woodbugs are another water loving creature. No water, no problem.

Dry old furniture can last a millenia.

Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by dom96 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @07:14PM (#31498665)
I've got a balcony who's floor is made out of wooden planks. It was varnished at some point, but the varnish is damaged in many places, how long before the wood degrades completely and is unsafe to stand on?
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by bdamm on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @03:13PM (#31509177)
Usually the planks under a balcony are protected by the balcony itself, so they remain fairly dry, especially if there are drip flashings that redirect rain drips and rivulets away. Or, they may be pressure treated wood, in which case it's likely to outlast the building whether it gets wet or not. There might be a fascia board that is designed to take the rain and rot away, separated from the structural beams by a flashing, vapor barrier, standoffs, hidden paint/stain, or nothing!
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by wyago on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:29PM (#31499959)
Treated wood isn't really used for indoor furniture. It's for wood that would be exposed to a lot of moisture, e.g. wooden decks.
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by bamboozled on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @07:02PM (#31498563)
Often the wood is treated with polyurethane...plastic.
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by heurisko on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:21PM (#31496418)
I've got wooden furniture. It doesn't rot, because it's inside.

If plastic rotted like wood when exposed to the elements, that would be great.

Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by chaorace on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:42PM (#31496666)
It would be great in some ways, but it would also have enormous consequences. There is so much infrastructure that would need to be prematurely replaced -- so many consumer durables which will fail years or even decades ahead of their expected shelf lives.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we were to start concocting additives with antimicrobial properties, which would probably be even worse for the environment while also preventing the beneficial function of post-use decomposition.

Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by ars on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:05PM (#31496931)
Most outdoor plastic is PVC which is not susceptible to this.

> with antimicrobial properties

The Chlorine in PVC does that.

In general PVC is used where you want the plastic permanently, and HDPE is used for disposable plastic (and is edible to microbes).

So basically we are fine, and no need to change anything.

Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by hosh on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:03PM (#31496907)
Or perhaps, our way of life changes and we live without a durable, non-biodegradable, lightweight, apparently-cheap material that enables a disposable, consumerist lifestyle.
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by MichaelZuo on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @10:36AM (#31505167)
You want to reduce the living standards of most of the human population?
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by dwater on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:27PM (#31496493)
Well, it would be great when we wanted to get rid of those items. It would be less great when we wanted to preserve those items, like the massive amount of goods and infrastructure that are constructed out of plastic. The insulation on power cables, for one thing, would be bad if it started rotting.
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by fitzroy on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:54PM (#31496804)
Not exactly the same, but rats eating the power cables has been a problem with cars built in the last decade because of the switch to soy-based insulation.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/20878/rodents-are-feasting-on-...

Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by ars on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:39PM (#31496630)
The already use PVC on cable insulation. If this because a problem then everything would switch to using that instead of a mix.

Also, I've seen nothing to indicate these enzymes can eat nylon, which is the most common insulation other than PVC.

Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by alex_young on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:32PM (#31496552)
Cars are largely plastic. They live outside. It would be interesting if say your bumper started rotting for instance.
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by mperham on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:03PM (#31496918)
They are plastic today because earlier they were steel and rusted. Thus the “rustproof undercoating” which some dealers offered. A mechanic said my 1990 Honda CRX was mostly rust after 6 years in the Northeast US.
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by marginalia_nu on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:07PM (#31496963)
Rust is an entirely different process though. You can mitigate it with sacrificial anodes, for example (that's how steel ships survive bobbing around in salt water).
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by masklinn on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:55PM (#31496813)
> I've got wooden furniture. It doesn't rot, because it's inside.

Also because it's treated.

Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by ars on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:06PM (#31496946)
Wooden furniture is not treated. You are thinking of pressure-treated lumber, which is not used for furniture, but rather for outdoor wood in contact with soil.
Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by masklinn on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:30PM (#31497213)
Staining is a treatment. So is waxing, or varnishing.

I’m sure some people leave their wood furniture unfinished but it’s certainly not the standard, and not how you make them last.

Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by muti on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @06:37PM (#31498361)
Completely untreated wood stored in a dry environment will last many years (hundreds? tens at least) without degrading. Look at woodworkers hoarding wood in basements, beams in old buildings, etc

Staining/waxing/varnishing is used to protect the surface from wear and tear or change aesthetics. A varnished table that has been worn through in areas can be sanded back and look like new. The wood under worn spots won't be noticeably different.

Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by wyago on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:24PM (#31500263)
I've never heard someone in woodworking call finished wood "treated". That would be really odd, given that treated wood is a specific term of art.

Plainly oiled wood is pretty normal, and isn't going to do anything to protect against rot (because it doesn't need to indoors).

Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by marginalia_nu on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:06PM (#31496942)
We often use plastic for things that need to be able to deal with environmental exposure, though, or to protect things that can't deal with that sort of thing.

Things like water-pipes and cable insulators would be especially problematic if they started rotting.

Re:Bugs are evolving to eat plastic, study finds by walleeee on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:22PM (#31496429)
maybe it will compel us to build stuff that's more substantial, less deliberately disposable, and more easily repaired :)