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Re:Details on AMD's Quirky Chipset Solutions for AM5 by __alexs on Sunday May 22, 2022 @06:01PM (#31473239)
PCI-E 5.0 has a ridiculous amount of bandwidth for consumer purposes. They just don't need as many lanes.
Re:Details on AMD's Quirky Chipset Solutions for AM5 by Laforet on Sunday May 22, 2022 @07:36PM (#31473894)
More lanes, more wires, higher complexity, higher cost.

Not surprising at all given that the same vendor thought it was fine stratagem to market a midrange dedicated GPU with only 4x PCIe 4.0 lanes. They are banking heavily on the trend of turning PCIe into a serial bus of sorts.

Re:Details on AMD's Quirky Chipset Solutions for AM5 by formerly_proven on Monday May 23, 2022 @01:53AM (#31475708)
> on the trend of turning PCIe into a serial bus of sorts.

PCIe switches used to be far more common before certain things happened in the market and they became uber-expensive. I have a few NICs where, instead of using multi-port controllers, they just used PCIe switches... arguably I/O hubs have probably been the cheapest PCIe switches around for some time now...

Re:Details on AMD's Quirky Chipset Solutions for AM5 by 3np on Monday May 23, 2022 @03:31AM (#31476226)
Still haven't found anything compelling for PCIe4 but for PCIe3, I had no issues so far with 10Gtek, which are reasonably priced.
Re:Details on AMD's Quirky Chipset Solutions for AM5 by colejohnson66 on Sunday May 22, 2022 @11:40PM (#31475118)
> They are banking heavily on the trend of turning PCIe into a serial bus of sorts.

It was always a serial bus? PCIe 1.0 was just too slow to handle everything without 16x systems. In fact, 32x slots/cards existed in the server market to make up for the missing bandwidth.

Re:Details on AMD's Quirky Chipset Solutions for AM5 by amarshall on Sunday May 22, 2022 @08:40PM (#31474255)
This only works if all devices are PCIe 5, though. There are still a lot of PCIe 3 or even PCIe 2 devices that could make do with very few PCIe 5 lanes but need a lot of lanes regardless.
Re:Details on AMD's Quirky Chipset Solutions for AM5 by mikepurvis on Sunday May 22, 2022 @09:36PM (#31474532)
Does an older device still occupy a whole lane right to the processor though? Or does the motherboard/chipset multiplex that onto a shared 5.0 lane into the CPU?

My read of it is the second, but I'd be happy to be shown wrong on this.

Re:Details on AMD's Quirky Chipset Solutions for AM5 by zamadatix on Sunday May 22, 2022 @11:51PM (#31475175)
Only the CPU direct lanes are PCIe 5.0 and, being direct, none of that gets multiplexed. You either use all of a direct slot's assigned lanes at 5.0 speed or you miss out on that bandwidth.

Everything else not CPU direct (wired and wireless networking, SATA storage, non-primary USB ports, and 3 PCIe 4.0 addon cards) is connected via the chipset(s) which connect back via a single shared PCIe 4.0 x4 connection to the CPU. These are multiplexed but nothing here is using PCIe 5.0 bandwidth and even just 1 busy slot alone off this collection is able to consume the entire uplink bandwidth.