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Re:Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.... by Dylan16807 on Saturday May 21, 2022 @02:44PM (#31460630)
There are bezels on the top and bottom because the S4 came out in 2013, not because of the waterproofing method.

IP67 is enough for me, and I will happily trade .3mm of thickness for a removable battery.

Not that we should assume that IP68 has to be sacrificed. There aren't a lot of comparison points on that specific attribute. A Galaxy Xcover Pro is bulky but that's because it's much more ruggedized in general.

Re:Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.... by mlyle on Saturday May 21, 2022 @03:23PM (#31460928)
> There are bezels on the top and bottom because the S4 came out in 2013, not because of the waterproofing method.

There are bezels on the top and bottom because older phones were less volume efficient than they are today-- something that is enabled by the use of adhesive.

> IP67 is enough for me, and I will happily trade .3mm of thickness for a removable battery.

OK, but, I believe the penalty would be significantly more than .3mm, and most people won't.

Re:Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.... by Dylan16807 on Saturday May 21, 2022 @07:10PM (#31463038)
> There are bezels on the top and bottom because older phones were less volume efficient than they are today-- something that is enabled by the use of adhesive.

Adhesive on the front of the phone, where the screen is, is just fine as far as battery removability is concerned. Are you sure that's a real factor in this comparison?

> I believe the penalty would be significantly more than .3mm

Well I'm trying to use the example you gave...

> and most people won't.

Citation needed. I've never seen anyone mention sub-millimeter differences in choosing one phone over another.

Re:Apple Shipped Me a 79-Pound iPhone Repair Kit to Fix a 1.... by mlyle on Saturday May 21, 2022 @07:31PM (#31463222)
> Adhesive on the front of the phone, where the screen is, is just fine as far as battery removability is concerned. Are you sure that's a real factor in this comparison?

Adhesive all over the place helps remove volume. So does using annoying connector types, and putting together the parts of the phone in crazy jenga-like assemblies.

The reason why phones are less serviceable today is because they are packed tight. This packed-tight characteristic is harder to manufacture, but much harder to service. The reason why it is there is because the designers of the phone think it is necessary to make a phone that is desirable to the market.

> Well I'm trying to use the example you gave...

OK, so look at total volume vs. screen area, because I think this is really actually the important metric. In less volume, we got basically the same volume of battery and a bigger screen. The metric swung by 20%.

> Citation needed. I've never seen anyone mention sub-millimeter differences in choosing one phone over another.

Phones with replaceable batteries didn't do very well versus their competition, which is a pretty good hint that the ease of replacing batteries was not the primary buying factor. Phone size-- both thinness and total volume-- and screen size-- are unquestionably important buying factors.