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Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by daenz on Thursday May 19, 2022 @05:40PM (#31440524)
>A week later, I received a few ambiguous and regretful messages from her, which escalated to a phone call in which she sought guidance on her next date

The author needs to spend time identifying how people use tactics to assert and obtain power. Even if you don't want to use those tactics yourself, which is fine, your whole life will be better served by knowing how to deflect tactics others use to submit you (lowering your perceived value to others).

For some people, all they have is power games. They can't rely on abilities or genuine personality traits, so they have to rely on manipulating perceptions of themselves and others. Other people have the privilege of not needing to do that, so they never develop those manipulation instincts through practice. They get taken advantage of because they don't even see the games being played.

Imo, the sweet spot is not needing to manipulate others in order to have your intended effect on the world, but being able to do so to when it's required.

Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by fdgsdfogijq on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:03PM (#31440741)
It took me far too long to understand that people played power games and would actively hurt my psychology to put themselves ahead. Very odd realization and rather sad. I grew up as an objective person who always tried to see both sides. An odd awakening to realize not everyone thought like me
Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by tkgally on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:54PM (#31441213)
I've had trouble recognizing and understanding narcissists, too. I'm sixty-five, and I can't recall anyone I knew in the first fifty years of my life who I realize now was a narcissist. In contrast, I recognize retrospectively many old friends and acquaintances who, I now know, must have been on the autism spectrum.

But in the last fifteen years, I have had to deal with four people who were narcissists, two through work and two in private life. Each case was very difficult.

Those four were from very different backgrounds--four different countries of origin, three different first languages, one had grown up poor, another was from a rich family. If narcissism is becoming more prevalent, my limited sample offers no clue about possible social causes.

Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by IG_Semmelweiss on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:39PM (#31441090)
It begs the question. Why is this knowledge not taught at schools?

It is because the wolves are in command and dont want sheep to pull the wool off their eyes?

Seems rather important concepts to learn as you go out into the world. Not everyone sees the world thru your prism.

Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by silvestrov on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:57PM (#31441246)
Because if the teachers says "some people are bad", then the pupils will ask: who of us are bad?

Who of our parents are bad?

Who of the other teachers are bad?

If you say "none", you will likely get caught in a lie.

I think most kids figure out by themselves that many people are somewhat bad. It's mainly kids who are slightly/somewhat autistic who need help with this.

Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by PeterisP on Friday May 20, 2022 @12:31AM (#31443367)
You don't have to say "some people are bad" but rather "some behaviors are bad or dangerous" - and teachers certainly can and should discuss bad or dangerous behavior to correct it and to recognize it in future. They already do so for behavior that is physically bad or dangerous, why not for behavior that's psychologically bad or dangerous?
Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by fdgsdfogijq on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:23PM (#31441493)
Yeah I'm somewhat on the spectrum, but not so much. It really wasnt until I was in my 20s that narcissists matured and became capable of real damage. Like putting me down in front of women, trying to get me to quit a high paying job, etc.
Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by heavyset_go on Thursday May 19, 2022 @08:58PM (#31442169)
Most people grew up with the same mentality, and manipulative people will exploit the benefit of the doubt they're given and will use your scruples against you.
Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by bGl2YW5j on Thursday May 19, 2022 @05:44PM (#31440566)
Both this article and your comment sum-up what I have really been struggling with lately at work. I’ve never experienced such a narcissistic person and have had a hard time not only dealing with their behaviour, but identifying it for what it is in the first place.

Thanks for the insight.

Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by prometheus76 on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:21PM (#31440906)
Some tips from someone who has dealt with a few classic narcissists: don't argue with them. They do not reason the way you do. One-word answers are best. Pretend you are a very dull, boring person with no opinions when you are talking to them. Never raise your voice or get angry. They will try to use the silent treatment on you: ignore it. But it works very well on them too. They will never, in a million years, apologize. But if they apologize, they are only trying to manipulate you further because their fear of abandonment has been triggered by your body language and tone. Always remember they lie constantly. They don't know what the truth is anymore.

These are strategies and perspectives I've learned from having narcissistic family members. I hope it helps. The best thing you can do is just not deal with them at all, but sometimes it's unavoidable.

Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by blacksignal on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:55PM (#31441227)
What you are describing is also known as the 'grey rock method'. I'm sorry you've had to deal with that.

And yes, it's very effective. And even better, allows you to detach and recoup your time and peace.

Here's to healthier relationships.

Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by bGl2YW5j on Friday May 20, 2022 @05:17AM (#31445042)
Thank you! That does help. I’ll definitely keep these strategies in mind.
Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by adrianmonk on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:43PM (#31441130)
> spend time identifying how people use tactics to assert and obtain power

Other than just being aware and observant and learning through experience, are there any good resources for this? "Art of War" maybe? Something from fields like psychology or sociology?

Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by 0x20cowboy on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:59PM (#31441266)
The worst book I’ve ever read in my life (that made me lose almost all my faith in humanity) but describes how manipulative people behave is “The 48 laws of power”.

I wish I hadn’t read it, but at least I know.

I recommend reading some Taoist or Stoic books after to keep from becoming deeply depressed.

Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by robonerd on Thursday May 19, 2022 @07:18PM (#31441436)
There are some good lessons in Art of War that I think are broadly applicable, particularly the admonishment against making others feel like they've been backed into a corner. Give people an out, some way to save face, and you can avoid a lot of drama.
Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by daenz on Friday May 20, 2022 @01:20AM (#31443659)
I'd echo the 48 laws of power. It gives a good insight into the common power games. A sibling comment had a bad experience with it, I was fine with it, but YMMV
Re:Narcissism is rampant, so how do we address it? by ducttapecrown on Thursday May 19, 2022 @06:54PM (#31441214)
Read history books, like a biography of Julius Caesar.

Read critical theory like the Communist Manifesto and read about the work of Foucault.

Read critical history books like Why Nations Fail and A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn.

Some philosophy like Aristotle's Politics, Kant's categorical imperative and Rawl's veil of ignorance are also helpful I think.