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Re:Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it by Workaccount2 on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:33AM (#31423280)
The other side of the coin is that users are so used to the "free" model (read: ad model) that they refuse to pay for anything directly.

Look at youtube. They show ads and there is a non-stop stream of complaints about how long/bad/annoying they are. They offer a paid subscription to remove all ads and people laugh at the audacity youtube has to ask for money.

Users DO NOT want to see/watch ads. Users DO NOT want to pay a subscription for "free" content.

Just look at the story of Vid.me, a youtube competitor start-up that promised ad-free and sub-free videos. It was a huge hit until it hit bankruptcy.

Re:Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it by freediver on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @01:54PM (#31425660)
Actually, things are quite the opposite. 50 million people pay for YouTube Premium. 50 million people do want to pay for ad-free content.

That is only 1% of all Google users maybe, but it is the seed we need.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/2/22654318/youtube-50-millio...

Re:Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it by bkobren on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @10:49AM (#31423496)
I wouldn't be so sure, agree that there is an enormous challenge to convince people to pay for something they think they are getting for free, even when it's really not free ie paying for it with time, attention, privacy.

But create enough value, provide truly differentiated and unique experiences that ad-supported models can't, include privacy etc and there is a case to be made that over time a sizable enough segment will pay for that value that you can have a sustainable business.

That is certainly our bet at Neeva, and so far we have seen a lot of growth, interest and folks opting for the premium (paid version) over the basic. Even without a full push to encouraging the premium.

Re:Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it by Gunax on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @01:24PM (#31425329)
YT Premium is expensive. Much more expensive than users expect.

Most people underestimate the value of their attention. Youtube earned 7 billion USD in ad revenue last quarter.

The value of our attention is a shock to most people. I suspect that YouTube may actually be losing money (as compared to ad revenue), even at the $12 / month--a price many users find outrageous.

I am calling this the 'ad gap', which is difference between what an advertiser is willing to pay, and what the user is willing to pay to avoid the ad.

One way to look at it is that users are irrational. But it can also be seen as a testament to the effectiveness of advertising.

Re:Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it by baxuz on Thursday May 19, 2022 @03:14PM (#31438837)
Exactly. YouTube Premium is loaded. Its pricing is based around selling YouTube Music and YouTube Originals. I don't want either. I'd happily pay 5$/month for a YouTube Premium experience.
Re:Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it by Gunax on Friday May 20, 2022 @01:31PM (#31450371)
Sure, but my guess is that YouTube is earning more than that in advertising from you, even sans music and oroginals.
Re:Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it by more_corn on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @12:07PM (#31424464)
We’re used to free because google decided free was the answer and they had so much clout, no other answer could compete. Now that their time is ending there will be room for other answers.
Re:Why Google is so unbearable, and how to fix it by davoneus on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @12:42PM (#31424866)
No, free has been an accepted paradym for for a long, long time. Simply think of a hundred years of radio advertising, and just short of that for tv.