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Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by seydor on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @12:33PM (#31413090)
Binance has ~10 times the trading volume with the same number of employees
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by josu on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:34PM (#31413911)
The cost of operating a US company in a highly regulated environment. Binance US, the closest comparable, "only" does 10% of the volume of Coinbase, or 20% if you take into account that half the Coinbase users are not from the US.

https://www.coingecko.com/en/exchanges/binance_us

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by dubswithus on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:08PM (#31414364)
GP was referring to Binance and not Binance US, I think?
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by anonporridge on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:37PM (#31413946)
Exactly. It's amazing how efficient you can be when you don't have tons of pesky government rules and regulators breathing down your neck.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by tadfisher on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:47PM (#31414088)
It's also amazing how much damage you can do.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by notch656a on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:59PM (#31414259)
It's also amazing jus how much damage regulators can do, who may occupy a priveleged seat of corruption that is neither beholden to the customer nor the provider of the goods. Often (most) time the regulator is not even sitting in an elected position, with only the loosest accountability to the voter.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by tadfisher on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:12PM (#31414415)
So obviously the answer is no regulation, and to let Ponzi schemes and rug-pull scams be a de-facto tax on those who fall for the marketing, with the beneficiaries being the perpetrators.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by notch656a on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:21PM (#31414531)
If you were completely uncreative or speaking in bad faith, you may come to the conclusion that your "obvious" answer of such a false dichotomy.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by guelo on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:02PM (#31414307)
The regulators are not corrupt. You believe that without evidence because it's part of your political ideology.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by anonporridge on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:13PM (#31414429)
Some regulars are corrupt. Some are not. Some government officials are corrupt. Some are not. Some business people are corrupt. Some are not.

Any position of power has the potential to fall to corruption, if proper checks and balances aren't put in place to prevent it. GP simply seems to believe that regulators are insufficiently held accountable to avoid corruption from taking root.

Are you sure you yourself don't believe something without evidence ("regulators are not corrupt") because it's part of your political ideology?

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by lancesells on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @07:12PM (#31417338)
I would also add that most businesses of a certain size ARE corrupt.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by notch656a on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @08:27PM (#31417842)
A great deal, possibly even most, people can be corrupted if placed in a position that enables it. Any regulatory mechanism implemented has to bear in mind that the underlying problem is that _people_ are corrupt. Putting people in a position where there is no check (such as voting, or customers choosing whether to buy) on that corruption makes everything more dangerous.

My position all along has been that businesses are greedy, oft corrupt, enterprise. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that individuals in the revolving door between industry and regulator are still corruptible people -- whether they are in the role of regulator or business director. These revolving door individuals didn't suddenly become corrupt when entering business or become pure when entering regulatory agencies.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by BitwiseFool on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:33PM (#31414685)
Likewise, regulators are not beyond reproach and one's political ideology influences that perception.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by notch656a on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:12PM (#31414417)
Hours ago you called the court of the land "corrupt hyper-partisan" and now you believe there's no evidence of corruption in the vastness of the regulatory agencies?

Spare me the hypocrisy.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by kolbe on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:18PM (#31414491)
> The regulators are not corrupt.

And what would you say the basis for you believing that is?

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by bko on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @03:19PM (#31415198)
FTX has only 300 (< 1/10th that of Coinbase) with 5x the volume (depending how you measure)

https://ftx.com/volume-monitor

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by BLanen on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @05:57PM (#31416770)
Binance is a bucket shop with faked volume
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Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by searchableguy on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:03PM (#31413539)
That's a swastika symbol which is common in Asia (where binance and its founder is from). The nazi symbol is tilted, has an opposite image to it and no dots.

Gas is used for token in that context and is also a common word in crypto referring to transaction fees.

I'm surprised by the connections made.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:06PM (#31413577)
I too have difficulty understanding the connection without ulterior bias and lack of knowledge needing to be present.

Taking a single look at the second link referenced, it is glaringly obvious that the tokens' abbreviation is GAS.

The swastika is a completely different symbol and unrelated to the Hakenkreuz. The swastika has never directly been referenced by the Nazis, they projected their own values into the form of the symbol.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by chimeracoder on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:35PM (#31413923)
> The swastika is a completely different symbol and unrelated to the Hakenkreuz. The swastika has never been used or considered by the Nazis.

This is not true. "Hakenkreuz" is literally just a German word for swastika, etymologically a descriptive one in German instead of a Sanskrit loan word.

Contrary to popular misconception, there is no inherent difference between a swastika as used in religious imagery and a swastika as used by the Nazis. The difference is context.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by E4YomzYIN5YEBKe on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:45PM (#31414063)
Hakenkreuz is not the German word for swastika anymore than swastika is the Sanskrit word for Hakenkreuz.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by chimeracoder on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @06:51PM (#31417185)
> Hakenkreuz is not the German word for swastika anymore than swastika is the Sanskrit word for Hakenkreuz.

In the sense that a dictionary translates one to the other and vice versa, sure, you're correct.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by mise_en_place on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:39PM (#31414767)
> Contrary to popular misconception, there is no inherent difference between a swastika as used in religious imagery and a swastika as used by the Nazis.

This is just plain wrong, I'm not sure what the counterfactual is here. The Nazi symbol is rotated by 45 degrees, the other one isn't. Context doesn't matter one bit, they're two distinct sigils. You could make the argument that the swastika heavily influenced the creation of Hakenkreuz, but they are two distinct symbols.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by chimeracoder on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:47PM (#31414848)
> This is just plain wrong, I'm not sure what the counterfactual is here. The Nazi symbol is rotated by 45 degrees, the other one isn't.

No, you are incorrect. The Nazi one is often "rotated", but it is not always. It's quite easy to find photos where it is not, such as this from Nuremberg in 1937. https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/nuremberg-rall...

The religious swastika does not have inherent directionality; its orientation depends on the context in which it is used.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by schroeding on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:46PM (#31414835)
You're right, and it's easily provable by looking at old literature. The word "Hakenkreuz" is ancient and was used in the 19th century[1], decades before the national-socialism.

I have a hard time understanding why so many people want them to be two different symbols. The symbol is not the problem, but the meaning it conveys, right? The context matters, see the difference between Germany and Finland - both used the Hakenkreuz, but they are not the same, as the context is different, isn't it?

Context is everything. The German Army still uses a version of the Iron Cross, but the context is different - using the same symbol on a flag from the German Empire has a vastly different meaning.

[1] For example: https://books.google.de/books?id=VbkNkkgHvYgC&pg=PA1&printse...

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:48PM (#31414864)
> The symbol is not the problem, but the meaning it conveys, right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you take a symbol, rip out its symbolic meaning, replace the symbolic meaning with a completely new symbolic meaning, in my opinion you end up with a new symbol that may share some visual aspects, but has nothing to do with the other symbol in terms of what a symbol actually is - conveying symbolic meaning. It's still going to be a new symbol with different context, and calling a Hakenkreuz (as used by the Nazi regime) a Swastika is more likely incorrect than correct.

Appropriation and following complete perversion of the original symbolic meaning does not make the resulting output interchangeable with the original symbol.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by schroeding on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @03:29PM (#31415305)
I searched for the original text in Mein Kampf in German, he wrote:

"Ich selbst hatte unterdes nach unzähligen Versuchen eine endgültige Form niedergelegt; eine Fahne aus rotem Grundtuch mit einer weißen Scheibe und in deren Mitte ein schwarzes Hakenkreuz"

As established[1], the word Hakenkreuz was already used at that point to describe the swastika, including in the original religious meaning. So he wrote "a black swastika". Translating it as "hooked cross" is IMO like translating "kindergarten" to "child garden", technically correct, but weird.

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but assigning new symbolic meaning to a symbol results in a new, unrelated symbol.

Does it? The German Bundeswehr still uses the Iron Cross. It's the same symbol, it has the same name, the same origin. But doesn't the meaning differ, whether you see it on a German tank now or on a tank of the Imperial Army in WW1 or the neck of a german officer in WW2?

I'm not sure whether or not there is a definition of symbol. If you define a symbol as a character or icon paired with a certain meaning, then you're right. But that would imply that e.g. the weird S[2] everyone draw at school was a different symbol every time. Would you agree with that?

[1] see my link to the old book, or just search on Google Books for "Hakenkreuz" in the 19th century [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_S

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @03:39PM (#31415406)
> But that would imply that e.g. the weird S[2] everyone draw at school was a different symbol every time.

I'm not sure, this symbol is not known in Germany or at least has not been when I went to school there, but if the general context, meaning or reference of all of these S symbols is the same, and no matter the exact visual representation the intent behind it was the same, then yes. It's probably the same symbol, but again I'm not an expert on symbols.

> Does it? The German Bundeswehr still uses the Iron Cross. It's the same symbol, it has the same name, the same origin. But doesn't the meaning differ, whether you see it on a German tank now or on a tank of the Imperial Army in WW1 or the neck of a german officer in WW2?

Yes, the intent behind displaying the symbol is different. I believe it could be regarded as a new iteration of this symbol.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by schroeding on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @04:04PM (#31415669)
Ok, fair enough, then we just have different definitons of symbols, and there apparently is no hard definition. :D

> I'm not sure, this symbol is not known in Germany or at least has not been when I went to school there

Interesting, it was when I went to school! Maybe it's not as universal as the internet thinks it is. But the meaning surely was different, in my class it was used by the class clown as a personal symbol of approval :D

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by gommm on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:12AM (#31422344)
I don't remember seeing it at school in Germany in the 90s either. Curious if it's something that came later.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by chimeracoder on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:55PM (#31414940)
> I have a hard time understanding why so many people want them to be two different symbols.

Neo-Nazis have spent years spreading misinformation about this, because (ironically) conflating the two allows them to use Nazi imagery more openly and with a greater degree of plausible deniability[0]. Unfortunately, that means that the vast majority of people who don't know any better[1] end up falling for the propaganda, because it sounds believable.

[0] You'll see a low-effort verison of this on places like Twitter or other Internet forums, where people will write U+5350 in their display name or signature, and when called out on it, will immediately claim that "it's religious and you can tell by the direction it's pointing" (which is wrong). Of course, actual Neo-Nazis will openly use that exact character (U+5350) as a Nazi symbol with no concern for the direction or orientation - because, again, it's not about distinguishing the two; it's about creating plausible deniability through confusion.

[1] eg, people who are not Hindu (and therefore would be familiar with its religous use) or Neo-Nazis (and therefore would be familiar with its Nazi use)

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:42PM (#31414027)
Hakenkreuz is not “literally the name for a swastika”. Hakenkreuz literally translates to hooked cross. It has nothing to do with a Swastika which is a completely unrelated symbol that has been around for a long time. The swastika is also visually different (the Hakenkreuz is angled 45°, we could argue about the form itself, but on the other hand its not a very deliberate geometric structure)

Furthermore, “Swastika” has not once been mentioned or used by the Nazis. Hitler in Mein Kampf referred to it as a hooked cross, and while they probably knew about the Swastika itself, assigning a completely new symbolic meaning to a symbol results in a new, unrelated symbol.

In fact, as far as my current knowledge goes, the in the English speaking world wide-spread mistranslation of "Hakenkreuz" to "swastika" was a deliberate mistranslation by a British Christian priest that has propagated into mainstream “knowledge”.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by chimeracoder on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:57PM (#31414233)
> Hakenkreuz is not “literally the name for a swastika”. Hakenkreuz literally translates to hooked cross. It has nothing to do with a Swastika and the Swastika was not the blueprint or inspiration for the Hakenkreuz.

This is mind-boggling revisionism. The swastika was a well-known symbol even in Europe by the beginning of the 20th century, recognized as an Eastern ("Oriental") symbol, and Europeans even had a general, albeit bastardized, understanding of its meaning. In fact, you can still see examples of pre-Nazi swastika use in parts of Europe today, in older buildings and designs, although those have been getting replaced over the years. Most recently, Finland's air force dropped the swastika from their imagery. They had adopted the symbol in 1918, by which point the swastika was a popular symbol in Europe[0].

It's wild to claim that the Nazis were somehow completely unaware of the symbol they were using, especially because the Nazis themselves were so open about their (revisionist and ahistorical) beliefs regarding the "Aryan master race".

You're trying to draw a distinction between the word "Hakenkreuz" and "swastika", and that distinction simply does not exist. "Swastika" is the original, Sanksrit name for a symbol that was (and is) used in religious imagery, and which was later appropriated for political purposes by far-right authoritarians in Germany. Those Germans used a German descriptor for that symbol, but there is no question about where they got that symbol from, because they made zero efforts to hide it.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53249645

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:04PM (#31414323)
I am not quite sure what you’re trying to argue about. The Swastika has been around for a long time, the Hakenkreuz may or may not be inspired by it, however the Nazis not once used the term Swastika, or referred to it. The common mistranslation of Hakenkreuz to Swastika in the English speaking world is a deliberate mistranslation propagated by a British Christian priest.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by chimeracoder on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:10PM (#31414398)
> The Swastika has been around for a long time, the Hakenkreuz may or may not be inspired by it

Adolf Hitler literally explains his use of the symbol, and its origins, in Mein Kampf. There is no "may or may not", unless you are somehow trying to argue that Adolf Hitler is not an authoritative primary source on Nazism.

> the Nazis not once used the term Swastika

I don't know if this is true (and I'm disinclined to take this claim at face value), but even if it is, it's besides the point. The fact that the Nazis openly took a symbol from another source, admitted that they did so because of the connection to that other source, and then appropriated it for a different purpose is what's relevant, not the fact that they chose a German descriptor when talking about that symbol instead of using a loanword.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:31PM (#31414659)
You mean this part in Mein Kampf?

> "I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final form; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black hooked cross in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the hooked cross."

> "As National Socialists, we see our program in our flag. In red, we see the social idea of the movement; in white, the nationalistic idea; in the hooked cross, the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work."

Nowhere, in the whole book, is the Swastika and its symbolic meaning mentioned as a direct inspiration for the Hakenkreuz. Instead, the Nazis attributed their own ideology to the symbol, but not even to the Swastika itself, but to it's form, and furthermore that doesn't change anything about the Swastika itself.

Wikipedia states;

> The swastika was also understood as "the symbol of the creating, effecting life" and as "race emblem of Germanism"

You know what, I'm going to attribute huge penises to the McDonalds symbol, so any big penis is from now on Ronald McDonald.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by skrtskrt on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:08PM (#31414373)
So you're simultaneously saying that

1. the Swastika symbol has been around a long time, been used by many cultures and countries, is basically universally recognized

2. but when the Nazis used it, it's not Swastika, because they called it something different, so there's no way to know if they were influenced by the identical symbol that everyone already knew about

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:17PM (#31414482)
1) Yes

2) No, it might have been influenced in some way, but it's still not the same symbol. Neither symbolic nor visually.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by chimeracoder on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:33PM (#31414690)
> 2) No, it might have been influenced in some way

Again, just to be clear, it's not that "it might have been influenced in some way". It's that Adolf Hitler specifically talked about his reasons for using the swastika in his manifesto.

> Neither symbolic nor visually.

As explained at length elsewhere in this thread, the two symbols are not visually distinguishable without additional context. You can easily find religious uses of a swastika which are literally visually identical to Nazi uses of a swastika.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by schroeding on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:34PM (#31414699)
Yes it is, the swastikas of buddhist temples are Hakenkreuze - they just have a different meaning. The Japanese call them Manji - is it also a different symbol? No, it's just a different name.

Take a look at this book from the 19th century, about the religious symbol, notice the name: https://books.google.de/books?id=VbkNkkgHvYgC&pg=PA1&printse...

The orientation does not matter, take a look at the Zeppelintribüne of the Nürnberger Reichsparteitagsgelände - it had a gigantic Hakenkreuz on top, in a non-angled configuration.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:44PM (#31414815)
It may very well be the same geometric structure. It is a COMPLETELY different symbol (as in, speaking about symbolic meaning)

The man himself in his book Mein Kampf wrote,

> "I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final form; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black hooked cross in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the hooked cross."

> "As National Socialists, we see our program in our flag. In red, we see the social idea of the movement; in white, the nationalistic idea; in the hooked cross, the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but assigning new symbolic meaning to a symbol results in a new, unrelated symbol.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by schroeding on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @03:46PM (#31415484)
You wrote

> Hakenkreuz is not “literally the name for a swastika”. Hakenkreuz literally translates to hooked cross.

But it literally is the translation for swastika. There are books from the 19th century talking about the Hakenkreuze in buddhist temples. And yeah, you can translate it to hooked cross. But English is not the authoritative language on this topic, German is, as the Nazis did not speak english (as their native language).

(Original Nazi sources ahead)

Take a look at this edition of "Volk and Rasse": https://www.google.de/books/edition/Volk_und_Rasse/n9sZAAAAM... On Page 465, there is a description of a "racial school" in Berlin with the name "Swastika". Because it's the same symbol. This Book was published by the Rassehauptamt of the NSDAP, directly by the Nazis.

The Hakenkreuz as a religious swastika is also being mentioned in this book: https://www.google.de/books/edition/Der_S_A_F%C3%BChrer/wdU7... Published for the SA, also directly by the Nazis. They directly reference it as "also a swastika, like our swastika".

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @04:01PM (#31415645)
> But it literally is the translation for swastika.

No, it is not. Even Hakenkreuz, in German, does not translate to Swastika.

Hakenkreuz is, as typical for German, made up of two distinct words - Haken, hook, and Kreuz, cross.

It is very likely that "Hakenkreuz" had simply at some point developed upon seeing a Swastika and trying to visually describe it in German, which would make it a pointer/reference. A lot of German words have exactly this mechanism of origin.

Now, I'm not trying to argue with you that a Hakenkreuz simply used to be a reference/pointer to a Swastika, BUT it was only until the original reference was appropriated and perverted by the Nazi regime, making the resulting output most definitely a new and distinct symbol with a new, distinct symbolic meaning.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by schroeding on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @04:26PM (#31415878)
I fail to see where you disagree with me, on the ethmological part. Yeah, Hakenkreuz describes the swastika, a "Kreuz" mit "Haken" on the ends, but then... it still is just the German word for swastika, no? Like "Hakaristi" is in suomi / finnish. "Eisenbahn" still is just the word for railroad and not for "iron track", even though it's technically correct :D

"This tempel has a big, golden swastika" could be translated as: "Dieser Tempel hat ein großes goldenes Hakenkreuz" or "Dieser Tempel hat eine große goldene Swastika", neither of them is wrong, even today.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by skrtskrt on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:49PM (#31414114)
OK so Hakenkreuz is the German name for the thing that the entire English speaking world calls a swastika?
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:54PM (#31414178)
No… the Swastika has been around for a long time and has a completely different symbolic meaning. It’s also not the same visually.

I’m not responsible for lack of education and mainstream misconceptions, I can only tell you facts.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by skrtskrt on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:57PM (#31414232)
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:04PM (#31414332)
Again, this stems from a deliberate mistranslation of a British Christian priest.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by skrtskrt on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:10PM (#31414404)
It's not a mistranslation.

The symbol is the same symbol.

One is just "what the Nazis called that symbol".

The other is "what everyone else calls that symbol".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

Also translation is not an exact science where the most literal translation like "hooked cross" wins. It's much more often about conveying the meaning to the audience (who all correctly call that symbol a swastika).

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:27PM (#31414605)
The article you linked literally says you are not correct.

> The swastika symbol, 卐 or 卍, is an ancient religious symbol in various Eurasian cultures, now also widely recognized for its appropriation by the Nazi Party and by neo-Nazis.[1] It continues to be used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indic religions, including Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.

Appropriation and following complete perversion of the original symbolic meaning does not make the resulting output interchangeable with the original symbol.

Even Hitler himself in his book Mein Kampf states;

> "I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final form; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black hooked cross in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the hooked cross."

Nowhere, ever, was the Swastika and its symbolic meaning mentioned as a direct inspiration for the Hakenkreuz. Instead, the Nazis attributed their own ideology to the symbol, but not even to the Swastika itself, but to its form, and furthermore that doesn't change anything about the Swastika itself.

It is not the same symbol.

If we're going to argue about the visual aspect of the symbol, please look at this image and tell me if these two symbols look like the same to you.

https://i.imgur.com/kK6aBK0.png

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by skrtskrt on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:37PM (#31414733)
You're cherry-picking, poorly, from the Wikipedia article.

How does your selected sentence help your point?

> The swastika symbol, 卐 or 卍, is an ancient religious symbol in various Eurasian cultures, now also widely recognized for its appropriation by the Nazi Party

Also you tried to pick the two visual representations that are the most different, but the first image in the article[1] has the subtitle "The swastika is a symbol with many styles and meanings and can be found in many cultures."

The second image's subtitle says "The adoption of the swastika by the Nazis and neo-Nazis is the most recognisable modern use of the symbol in the Western world."

[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Fo...

I have to say I find it odd when people choose to die on a hill of being obviously, provably wrong about something Nazi-related.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by my69thaccount on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:27PM (#31414596)
It's funny how you think being German makes you most qualified to talk about Nazi iconography when in actuality it makes you the least qualified
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by Mo3 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @03:44PM (#31415457)
I've edited the comment as to not include the reference to my nationality, because this reference was originally meant in the way of "I dont see anything wrong with this either", referring to the original twitter links, but I see how this could be taken in a very different context.

Obviously nationality does not relate to knowledge or expertise in symbols in any way, and that association is a little bit far fetched to be quite honest with you.

I'm not sure why you would project this specific intent into my comment, as I was originally replying to something completely off the topic of symbols and the Swastika or Hakenkreuz.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by chimeracoder on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:22PM (#31413754)
> That's a swastika symbol which is common in Asia (where binance and its founder is from). The nazi symbol is tilted and has an opposite image to it.

I'll probably get hammered for saying this, but: no, that's not true.

There are many variations of the swastika, and it's not as simple as "look which way it's facing" or "see if it's tilted". That's a common meme often repeated on the Internet, but it's not true and it's trivially falsifiable, because it's quite easy to see religious uses of the swastika with various different orientations and directions. It's also not hard to find examples of Nazi imagery - both from the 20th century and contemporary - which uses an untilted swastika. Context is what differentiates them, not the direction or angle.

> I'm surprised by the connections made.

As someone who works in incident response, I'm more surprised by their statement, because it really falls short on every level, even if we take it at face value.

I'm more surprised that nobody on the team managed to notice the obvious Star of David in that image. Even without the text, it's an astoundingly bad look for a company in the financial space to use that imagery, and if their claim is that nobody involved in the design spotted the issue, that's itself quite concerning and raises even more questions.

I'm also surprised that an account that currently has 8 million followers is trying to blame this on an intern. Intern projects don't just happen to get publicly presented like that on a whim. Even for small companies, but especially for ones verified Twitter accounts and which are trying to be taken seriously, brand presence is very actively managed and a lot of effort goes into every post.

"Blaming the intern" is a tactic that people used a decade ago, but you see it much less these days because it stopped being plausible. And if we're expected to believe it here, then that just raises more questions about how they managed to provide an intern with unfettered access like this to announce a product with (apparently) zero oversight at any point.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by stickyricky on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:52PM (#31414150)
Do you believe then that Binance is a neo-nazi organization?
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by lm28469 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:13PM (#31413652)
> I'm surprised by the connections made.

Increasingly more people see the world through a very limited set of prisms. Lots of people online tend to see everything through racism/sexism/whateverism and will make connections where there are none. It's an easy way to discredit the people you're talking with by inferring meaning.

Critic Zelensky on a specific topic: you're pro Putin

Critic a woman politician: you're sexist

Use a company that used the word "gas", you're obviously antisemitic

Once it's out there on twitter &co nobody will even attempt to verify the facts (in this case the two obvious explanations you provided) and will just parrot the thing ad infinitum

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by hintymad on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:18PM (#31413710)
I view it as a failure of education. Education should produce well-rounded people who are happy, tolerant, and calm. Yet the US, for whatever reasons, has been producing these kind of angry, impulsive, and less tolerant students. Ironically, they are also the bunch who are easily subject to hoaxes and can't tell information from opinion.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by noirbot on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:21PM (#31414527)
Some of it is also just the difficulty of differentiating between an intentionally sneaky bit of whatever-ism and an accident. A finance institution using a star of david is borderline enough that any savvy marketing person wouldn't have let that go out. The use of "gas" on top of it is just silly.

There's certainly some amount of what you're pointing out, but given how much of modern politics and communication is done in dog whistles, with people making this level of borderline content and then going "how dare you think I'm intending anything by this accident" when they make an "accident" weekly, it's becoming more important to at least be suspicious of "innocent mistakes" by people who should know better.

A company with this much money and international reach is crazy to do a major branding move and then be shocked that people misinterpret it. It's unfortunate that people assume the worst, but at this point, personally and in business PR, you have to understand that people will assume the worst, so to release something like these anyways is either an intentional choice or negligence.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by llanowarelves on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:00PM (#31414278)
The most intolerant (despite calling themselves the most tolerant) win.

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by boeingUH60 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:22PM (#31413760)
Stop misrepresenting things. Many users have corrected you, so I won't do the same. But, attitudes like these are really tiring...please, don't seek outrage in everything.

There are many valid things to criticize Binance for, e.g., enabling reckless crypto gambling and money laundering.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by hintymad on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:20PM (#31413733)
It's a shame that someone who frequented HN is not aware of chirality.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by djbusby on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:32PM (#31414675)
I'm here pretty often and have never heard that word. For other like me (from a quick search):

Chirality is simply a geometric property which dictates that the mirror transformation of an object is a non-identity operation, i.e. the object and its mirror image are non-superimposable by any translation or rotation.

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by hintymad on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @03:40PM (#31415412)
I didn’t mean the term itself but the geometric property in the context of different swatika symbols.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by gilleain on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @03:52PM (#31415567)
Indeed, anyone who has two hands should be awate of chirality.
Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by cuteboy19 on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:17PM (#31413699)
Four dot + non-rotated swastika is an asian religious symbol.

Accusing CZ of being a Nazi is .... Interesting. Though I guess it is in Vogue considering a Jewish president is also being accused of being a Nazi

Re:Coinbase announces it will slow down hiring by ipaddr on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @04:02PM (#31415646)
Which becomes true if supporting neo-nazi groups fighting in Mariupol against Russia is included.

There are very few saints in war.