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Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by extinctpotato on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @12:08PM (#31412731)
Could somebody do an ELI5 on why some phones have very good cameras but for some reason there's no standalone USB version of them?
Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by johnwalkr on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @12:42PM (#31413234)
Phones have just an image sensor with a direct interface to the CPU, with a driver plus a ton of software running on the CPU to enhance quality. You can get good cameras with modern image sensors with usb interface. Note that they need a local controller to well, control them and provide a usb interface, and need firmware for the local controller and need to provide a driver or support for a standard API at the USB end. The market is tiny compared to phones, so for those reasons you can't buy a usb camera with the same low cost and high performance as what is in your smartphone.

That being said, you can buy good usb cameras based on many modern image sensors from a company like e-con[1], but you have to do research about what features are enabled by the driver.

I'm not sure why actual webcams including a way to mount on your monitor are so far behind and expensive. Logitech C920 is still a common recommendation, and it's now 10 years old!

[1]https://www.e-consystems.com/See3CAM-USB-3-Camera.asp

Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by alphabettsy on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @12:10PM (#31412766)
Phone cameras are very good but owing much of it to the DSP and software. An iPhone camera will not produce iPhone quality photos without the chipset and OS.
Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by aendruk on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @12:39PM (#31413189)
That still leaves the original question of why dedicated cameras aren’t doing this.
Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by sydthrowaway on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @07:59PM (#31417655)
Probably cause Big Tech stole all the computer vision and DSP folks
Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by formerly_proven on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @12:48PM (#31413320)
The question of GP wasn't that, but why you can't buy "iPhone image processing pipeline to UVC/USB".
Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by aendruk on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:15PM (#31413684)
I think we agree but you don’t understand me.
Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by dekhn on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @03:40PM (#31415410)
there are cameras that do this; there are many UVC USB3 webcams with phone-grade sensors (medium quality).
Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by aendruk on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @03:46PM (#31415493)
“This” refers to the contribution of software processing described above, i.e. explicitly not the matter of sensor quality.
Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by dekhn on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @03:56PM (#31415593)
oh, that's for economic reasons. The industrial and desktop consumer computer vision markets are orders of magnitude smaller and their development cycle times orders of magnitude longer.

I looked into this a while ago- trying to use gcam technology for scientific imaging- when I worked at Google, and there was zero interest from those teams. They were 100% focused on next-gen camera tech (and it showed- that was the period when phones got unbelievably good at taking high quality images using computational photography).

Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by E4YomzYIN5YEBKe on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @01:31PM (#31413867)
That appears to be what the Opal C1 is doing.

https://opalcamera.com/

Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by JoshTriplett on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:27PM (#31414595)
That looks great, except for being mac-only.

Have they given any indication about whether it'll be a standard UVC camera and Just Work on all platforms?

Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by nickpeterson on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @06:14PM (#31416912)
Also it isn’t available to actually buy. I’m sure they’ll be ready just in time for pandemic to end and macbooks to have better webcams…
Re:Using a "proper" camera as a webcam by wintermutestwin on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @07:07PM (#31417300)
Software is subscription! Ridiculous!