Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unreachable since 4 days

Re:Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unr... by _wldu on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @09:40AM (#31410439)

DNSSEC is notorious for breaking things [1]. I use it on most of my domains, but I would not just 'enable' it on a domain that I cared about and that had real users without a lot of thought and planning. Nor should you.

[1] - https://ianix.com/pub/dnssec-outages.html

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Re:Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unr... by medguru on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @09:54AM (#31410669)

I figured it would work since there were no problems for the handful of my domains using DNSSEC with the previous registrar. Maybe the button should come with a warning label. I'll certainly be a bit cautious from now on.

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Re:Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unr... by paulnpace on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @10:25AM (#31411167)

> DNSSEC is notorious for breaking things

My understanding is that people break things.

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Re:Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unr... by ceejayoz on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:38AM (#31412286)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_culture

> Just culture is a concept related to systems thinking which emphasizes that mistakes are generally a product of faulty organizational cultures, rather than solely brought about by the person or persons directly involved. In a just culture, after an incident, the question asked is, "What went wrong?" rather than "Who caused the problem?".

Prominent (and very effective) example: Aviation safety.

DNSSEC is both easy to break and hard to fix. https://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/01/15/against-dnssec/

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Re:Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unr... by _wldu on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @02:04PM (#31414325)

So when organizations hire people that do not understand the DNS or PKC to maintain their DNS then it is the organization's fault (rather than the person who made the change). I accept that and agree.

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Re:Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unr... by ceejayoz on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @03:47PM (#31415503)

But if a bunch of large, well-staffed, engineering-focused, otherwise competent organizations manage to fuck it up regularly, the problem's probably above the individual organizations. Potentially with the spec itself.

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Re:Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unr... by paulnpace on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:45AM (#31421569)

I've seen far more failed certificate renewal failures than DNSSEC failures from the same teams you appear to be suggesting are perfect and the standard is flawed.

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Re:Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unr... by tptacek on Thursday May 19, 2022 @03:10PM (#31438790)

The consequences of a failed certificate renewal are much smaller than the consequences of a DNSSEC failure: if you screw up DNSSEC, your site falls off the Internet, as if it never existed.

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Re:Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unr... by paulnpace on Friday May 20, 2022 @02:04PM (#31450683)

Now you are changing the topic. I take this to mean I am correct.

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Re:Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unr... by marcosdumay on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @11:44AM (#31412370)

There's no property of DNSSEC that makes it prone to breaking (and really any real problem on your link applies just as well to HTTPS). It just breaks because those large entities don't care about fixing it or care a big deal about breaking it on purpose.

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Re:Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unr... by snowwrestler on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @04:33PM (#31415941)

Sure, everyone makes mistakes, but there’s still a difference between juggling rubber balls and juggling knives.

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Re:Ask HN: Cloudflare broke my domain's DNSSEC making it unr... by paulnpace on Tuesday May 17, 2022 @09:32PM (#31418303)

But I have seen professional knife jugglers, and none made a mistake.

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