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Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by dragontamer on Thursday May 12, 2022 @02:52AM (#31350087)
In the short term, they have the reserves for sure.

In the short term, this is more of a classic bank-run. The Terra-coin + Luna scared a lot of cryptocoin holders, and now they're running away from another stablecoin.

Even if Bitfinex had the money, the amount of traders leaving USDT has to be a colossal amount. The amount of money Bitfinex can transfer at any given time is limited, so the peg will bend and buckle.

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The big question is: does Bitfinex have enough reserves to weather the storm? Not just this short-term storm, but the whole shebang that's about to happen? We will find out... eventually.

UST / Luna had substantial reserves. But it clearly wasn't enough. Probably because Anchor promised 20% gains and there was simply more UST in existence than the amount of USD put into that system.

Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by adhesive_wombat on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:07AM (#31350200)
> UST / Luna had substantial reserves.

Did they, or did they just claim to while minting stablecoin in order to pump the price of Bitcoin? Which these guys (Tether) would want to do because the owners of Tether are a massive exchange, and they depend on Bitcoin being high to attract customers to the market, and the first thing news customers so is bring the real objective with them: actual cash.

Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by dragontamer on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:13AM (#31350250)
UST is Terra-coin, which collapsed 3 days ago.

USDT, Tether, is a completely different coin. the one we're discussing today.

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UST + Luna had substantial reserves. They proved it with their actions this past week. They weren't *enough* reserves mind you, but they were posting their BTC-wallets on Twitter and showing the movements.

Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by adhesive_wombat on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:19AM (#31350299)
Yes, sorry that wasn't clear, and I said Tether when I meant stablecoin in general. I meant that they didn't have the reserves they needed ("substantial" isn't good enough) and now Tether has an even bigger incentive to run uncollateralized because of who they are.
Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by eudoxus on Thursday May 12, 2022 @04:03AM (#31350630)
"stablecoins in general" doesn't really apply here since the two in question work radically different. Collateralized vs Algorithmic. Theoretically the Terra UST stable coin didn't need reserves to keep the peg at $1, unlike Tether USDT, which does.
Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by hnaccount_rng on Thursday May 12, 2022 @04:49AM (#31350994)
how do algorithmic stable coins work?
Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by shawabawa3 on Thursday May 12, 2022 @07:07AM (#31352233)
The idea behind UST was that if it falls below $1, you can redeem it for $1 of Luna instead. The idea being that UST is "backed" by the activity on the terra Blockchain (fees are paid in Luna)

Of course, that means if UST is below $1 there is an arbitrage loop. buy UST at a discount, redeem it for Luna, sell Luna for USDC, repeat

This causes downward pressure on Luna's price. As Luna drops so does the faith in UST recovering, you end up with.... Luna dropping from $100 to $0.01, there's nothing backing UST effectively and it's still trading below peg (around $0.40)

Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by FabHK on Thursday May 12, 2022 @06:44AM (#31352004)
Read any of the recent Matt Levine Money Stuff columns on Bloomberg that has "Stablecoin" in the title (rather than Musk/Twiter...)
Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by riwsky on Thursday May 12, 2022 @06:19AM (#31351765)
poorly, it turns out
Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by CaptainZapp on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:05AM (#31350190)
> In the short term, they have the reserves for sure.

Why for sure?

Their "audits" and other information provided that they have the reserves were rather unsubstantial, if not outright dodgy.

Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by dragontamer on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:15AM (#31350273)
Short term, USDT kept enough reserves to hold the peg steady for years.

I'm not saying USDT was 100% backed. They probably could have accomplished all of this with just 20% backing, maybe even less. But in the short term, only 20% of people would ever "test" the reserves so to speak.

Now I don't know how much USDT was fraudulent... I do believe a lot of it was fraud. But there's clearly a nugget of truth, a nugget of backing that kept the price steady last year and the year before.

Once that "nugget" of stability runs out, its all over.

Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by NicoJuicy on Thursday May 12, 2022 @04:41AM (#31350924)
> In the short term, they have the reserves for sure.

They aren't even audited by a credible firm.

Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by whimsicalism on Thursday May 12, 2022 @09:56AM (#31354249)
> UST / Luna had substantial reserves.

This alone suggests you don't know what you are talking about.

Compare to reserves backing Dai, or the reserves USDC claims to have. UST/Luna had nothing and they were also highly correlated. It was a stupid stablecoin to hold in, which is why I never did - despite having holdings in Dai & USDC.

Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by dragontamer on Thursday May 12, 2022 @12:35PM (#31356475)
"Substantial reserves" meaning that UST / Luna was able to keep the peg for 1.5 years.

That's a reserve for sure. Is it enough for this current storm that the cryptocoin community is having? Obviously not, it all collapsed. But it was substantial enough to perpetuate its own myth for over a year.

That's the thing. You have to admit that these things can last months, or years even if you want to be honest about discussing the nature of these cryptocoins.

Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by whimsicalism on Thursday May 12, 2022 @12:39PM (#31356514)
You can't just string along two unrelated concepts with the phrase "meaning that." Not going to keep replying.
Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by meltedcapacitor on Thursday May 12, 2022 @04:14AM (#31350719)
UST had like 10 cents of reserves in other cryptos for every UST. Is that substantial?
Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by FabHK on Thursday May 12, 2022 @06:45AM (#31352014)
No. It means that they could fix things if the price dropped to 0.90, but not if the price dropped to 0.80.
Re:Tether starting to lose its peg too, after Terra did by chinathrow on Thursday May 12, 2022 @03:00AM (#31350146)
> and now they're running away from another stablecoin.

From another not so stable coin. Fixed that for you.