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Re:My journey through the American immigration system as a c... by BeetleB on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:13PM (#31342925)
I think it's simply fair to provide context and compare with other countries. While the US immigration process sucks compared to many countries, it very likely is in the top half of the world - most countries are simply worse.

I've lived in places where you have a zero chance of getting permanent residency, let alone citizenship. Even if you marry a citizen.

A friend of mine lives in a similar country. On paper there is a route to permanent residency, but no one gets it unless they're well connected to a senior government official. Lots of people living there for 30+ years who have to renew their status every few years.

In parts of Switzerland, your neighbors will vote on whether to grant you citizenship.

Of course - it is fair to criticize the US immigration process - particularly in regards to Chinese and Indians. It's also perfectly fair to be grateful that their is a path.

Re:My journey through the American immigration system as a c... by guyzero on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @02:03PM (#31343610)
I don't think China and India (or literally any other country) ran saturday morning cartoons for decades talking about the fact that their country was built by immigration. There's a disconnect between America's rhetoric and its actions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZQl6XBo64M

That said, as a green card holder, sure, I'm grateful that the US has this process. But I think Americans need to also acknowledge that they've generated trillions of dollars of wealth from immigrants and they could make the paperwork a little bit simpler.

Re:My journey through the American immigration system as a c... by codegeek on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:59PM (#31343556)
Yes, just because someone is criticizing doesn't automatically mean they are not grateful. But most comments here are basically insinuating that. I am a naturalized citizen and I love the USA. I love the opportunities it has provided me and I am grateful but I also pay taxes, have created jobs (business owner) and I have plenty to criticize (to hopefully improve). Don't tell me to shut up because I was "well came from a shittier country". This is my country as much as yours.
Re:My journey through the American immigration system as a c... by BeetleB on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @03:12PM (#31344422)
The top comment wasn't telling anyone to shut up.
Re:My journey through the American immigration system as a c... by throwaway2037 on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:41PM (#31343296)

    I've lived in places where you have a zero chance of getting permanent residency, let alone citizenship. Even if you marry a citizen.
Could your share the places?
Re:My journey through the American immigration system as a c... by BeetleB on Wednesday May 11, 2022 @01:58PM (#31343550)
I tend not to share personal history, so I'll randomly pick one:

> Another country that is very difficult to receive citizenship is Qatar. There are lengthy continuous residence requirements and not all children or spouses receive citizenship automatically.

> Children born in Qatar to Qatari parents are automatically entitled to citizenship. Any person born with a Qatari father may apply to be a citizen, if they meet eligibility criteria. However, the same is not true for individuals with a Qatari mother.

> People who qualify for permanent residence through naturalisation are those who have lived in Qatar for at least 20 years consecutively (if born outside Qatar) or ten years (if born there).

> Applicants must be fluent in Arabic, hold good character, and be able to support themselves financially during their stay.

> Although there are very generous government benefits available for citizens, the government only grants a maximum of 100 permanent residencies per year.

So if you're male, marry a Qatari woman, your kids won't even be citizens. While there technically is a process to get permanent residency, you can see how limited it is - a max of 100 per year, and I bet the majority of those have government connections. Similar story with nearby countries.

Re:My journey through the American immigration system as a c... by throwaway2037 on Thursday May 12, 2022 @07:57AM (#31352687)
Great follow-up reply! I was not aware of the draconian state of affairs for citizenship/PR for half-native Qataris. Only 100 per year... it just crazy in 2022. It seems now fully insane that they are hosting the FIFA World Cup in 2022. But I guess FIFA is so corrupt that they don't care about the human rights record of Qatar.
Re:My journey through the American immigration system as a c... by diebeforei485 on Thursday May 12, 2022 @12:25AM (#31349276)
Worth noting that you pay no income taxes in Qatar, and visa renewals are quick and do not require traveling outside the country for a new visa stamp.
Re:My journey through the American immigration system as a c... by jhugo on Thursday May 12, 2022 @10:54PM (#31362749)
Many countries in Asia are like this. You are very unlikely to get PR, let alone citizenship, unless you are born there to a citizen parent. e.g. China, most of southeast Asia. Sometimes there is even an ethnicity requirement.