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Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by na85 on Friday May 06, 2022 @05:16PM (#31289684)
If you think Teslas driven by fleeing fugitives, OJ Simpson style, can't be remotely commandeered or disabled, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Geofencing is a big part of the dystopia that the Valley crowd is getting paid a small fortune to shove down our throats.

Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by filoleg on Friday May 06, 2022 @05:24PM (#31289744)
> If you think Teslas driven [...] can't be remotely commandeered or disabled, then I have a bridge to sell you.

I wonder how this is even remotely possible, given that Teslas can easily operate fully offline (which they frequently do in areas with poor cell reception). You can just build a small faraday cage encasing the modem so that it cannot receive signal, and you are good to go.

Also, I don't think that the drivetrain subsystem and the subsystem that is connected to the internet can even interop. I know for a fact that even if the main computer (the one that is connected to the big screen) on a tesla is rebooting or shutting off, you can still operate the car like usual.

Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by autoexec on Friday May 06, 2022 @07:58PM (#31290822)
> I wonder how this is even remotely possible, given that Teslas can easily operate fully offline

It's been possible for over a decade with regular cars. OnStar can remotely disable cars. Many cars have devices that remotely disable the engine if the driver fails to make a payment.

Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by another_story on Friday May 06, 2022 @05:48PM (#31289921)
The point they're making is that this is coming and the groundwork is already being laid, both legally and technologically.
Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by filoleg on Friday May 06, 2022 @08:44PM (#31291140)
> The point they're making is that this is coming and the groundwork is already being laid, both legally and technologically.

So they are basically claiming that something is a problem, even though it is something that's straight up currently physically possible (but someone who reads that statement without knowing the actual details wouldn't know that it isn't currently possible)?

Disingenuous at best. Especially given that the parent comment said none of that. They essentially mocked people who believe that it isn't possible, and when they got pointed out that it isn't actually physically possible right now, the response is "well, not right now, but look at future possibilities!".

Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by loueed on Friday May 06, 2022 @06:53PM (#31290373)
Wondering how would they prevent the faraday cage solution? I guess the OEM could disable the car if it cant phone home but surely that would lead to accidents e.g. blocking the modem while driving.
Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by llbeansandrice on Friday May 06, 2022 @07:42PM (#31290702)
Probably just say the car won't start if it hasn't phoned home in a certain amount of time. Attempt to phone on start-up, shutdown if it can't. You don't have to rug-pull while the car is active.

I could see this being a "feature" of leased vehicles for example since you don't own it.

Tesla's should be fully functional currently, it's the self-driving that's a subscription.

Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by autoexec on Friday May 06, 2022 @07:59PM (#31290831)
> I could see this being a "feature" of leased vehicles for example since you don't own it.

that feature has existed for over a decade. Miss a payment and your engine can be remotely disabled.

Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by throwaway1777 on Friday May 06, 2022 @05:25PM (#31289753)
The idea that this is the “valley crowd” is laughable. Most of this bs is not built in the valley, and most people in the Bay Area don’t like that kind of dystopia either.
Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by na85 on Friday May 06, 2022 @05:37PM (#31289845)
>Most of this bs is not built in the valley, and most people in the Bay Area don’t like that kind of dystopia either.

Well, certainly it's Bay Area companies leading the charge towards said dystopia. Google and Facebook come immediately to mind as far as villains in this particular plot.

Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by gitfan86 on Friday May 06, 2022 @05:25PM (#31289752)
OJ Simpson, the man that the police forced to stop fleeing under threat of deadly violence?

Are you trying to scare people that their car may be disabled, when those same people already live in a society where police shoot and kill and pit maneuver drivers?

Wouldn't you rather have the car stop safely, instead of being pit maneuvered and flipped into a ditch?

Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by mtlynch on Friday May 06, 2022 @05:51PM (#31289940)
OJ Simpson, the man that the police forced to stop fleeing under threat of deadly violence?

That didn't happen. Police followed OJ for 50 miles and ultimately let him drive safely to his house.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case#Br...

Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by gitfan86 on Friday May 06, 2022 @06:06PM (#31290052)
The LAPD had killed plenty of people who didn't comply with their orders at that point. It is completely unrealistic to think that the LAPD wouldn't have used violence against OJ, if he had tried to flee to Mexico.
Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by na85 on Friday May 06, 2022 @05:33PM (#31289817)
>Are you trying to scare people that their car may be disabled, when those same people already live in a society where police shoot and kill and pit maneuver drivers?

Scare? No.

I'm just pointing out that, just as pervasive corporate surveillance is now the norm on the internet, pervasive tracking and always-on kill switches for cars will soon become the new norm. Law enforcement will paint it exactly as you have done here, with all the pearl-clutching and "think of the children"-type arguments that always accompany a new overstep/affront against civil liberties.

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Re:Mercedes-Benz says Level 3 self-driving option ready to roll by na85 on Friday May 06, 2022 @06:22PM (#31290172)
I think you know perfectly well what my point is and you're being deliberately obstinate.