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Re:The UX of Paid Journalism by rchaud on Thursday May 05, 2022 @08:51AM (#31272694)
> Before you pay, the WSJ promise you that cancelling is easy.

The screenshot doesn't say that. It says you can cancel at any time and doesn't specify what the method of cancellation is. If you have been alive on earth long enough to have obtained a paid newspaper subscription, you know how this works.

This is an industry standard and it won't change because there isn't a better substitute that offers instant online cancellation.

Re:The UX of Paid Journalism by tinalumfoil on Thursday May 05, 2022 @09:24AM (#31272993)
Paypal is amazing for this. I jump between trials for news outlets and I can just sign up for the trial, immediately cancel my billing agreement through Paypal's interface and when the service tries to renew they'll simply be denied. I'm not sure if even possible for them to check, but services only seem to notice when they try to charge me again.

Once pitfall is you should never attach a credit card to a service you do this with. Back when I was a student and I re-instated my Chegg subscription with a credit card to study for finals and they immediately back-charged me for the time in between. This was despite being pretty certain I also cancelled from their website, and 100% certain that they had cut off my service for that time period, otherwise I wouldn't have been prompted to renew my subscription.

After a long phone conversation I learned companies don't care about well-reasoned arguments, but they'll flinch at the first mention of a charge back.

Re:The UX of Paid Journalism by simulate-me on Thursday May 05, 2022 @09:44AM (#31273226)
When you enter into an agreement for services, it’s usually not sufficient to just stop paying. You may still be liable for the charges if you haven’t gone through the cancellation process you agreed to.
Re:The UX of Paid Journalism by tinalumfoil on Thursday May 05, 2022 @10:04AM (#31273482)
As a consumer it's not obvious to me I'm still liable for services after those services have been cut off, which is pretty much always what happens when the renewal fails. I'd imagine services like privacy.com and virtual credit cards wouldn't exist if companies were going after people like me.
Re:The UX of Paid Journalism by hombre_fatal on Thursday May 05, 2022 @04:12PM (#31277920)
NYT specifically force posts if you try to stop paying without canceling. https://support.privacy.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012288214-F...
Re:The UX of Paid Journalism by rchaud on Thursday May 05, 2022 @12:15PM (#31275228)
Just because it's not obvious to you, doesn't mean that the invoices will stop, or that your credit rating will be unaffected.
Re:The UX of Paid Journalism by nickphx on Thursday May 05, 2022 @10:06AM (#31273505)
The FTC says otherwise in a release from 2021 -- https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2021/10/...

-- Provide easy and simple cancellation to the consumer. Marketers should provide cancellation mechanisms that are at least as easy to use as the method the consumer used to buy the product or service in the first place. --

Perhaps that's why the WSJ signup process is so complex? /s

Re:The UX of Paid Journalism by flakiness on Thursday May 05, 2022 @09:45AM (#31273242)
For others who haven't looked into the article: Cancelling is not the main point of that article. The point is that it's hard to subscribe.

I have an NYT subscription and I have done multiple sub-unsub cycles before so I'm so accustomed to go through this kind of BS, but yeah they can be better.