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Re:IBM's Asshole Test by onion2k on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @11:45PM (#31269181)
The problem is that you're thinking in absolutes. That's not how life works. The driver doean't need to be a formal part of the hiring process that everyone rigorously goes through. There's variation and difference for every candidate. That's just because hiring is a human process.

In this case just knowing the driver well enough to ask them "Was that person nice to you?" when they drop a candidate off gets you another very useful signal when the response isn't neutral. A lot of the time it'll be "they were OK", but occasionally you'll get a positive "they treated me like a human being" or a negative "no, they were rude".

If you just get an "OK" then you're back to hiring as normal, without the extra data. If you get a positive or negative signal that can amplify what you see in the rest of the hiring process. For me, a tick in the "nice to people you don't have to be nice to" box is a good thing. I like to work with people who have that trait. If I can find a signal that indicates a person has it then I'm going to use it when I'm hiring.

Re:IBM's Asshole Test by reificator on Wednesday May 04, 2022 @11:47PM (#31269198)
> a positive "they treated me like a human being" or a negative "no, they were rude"

That's the whole range eh?

Re:IBM's Asshole Test by onion2k on Thursday May 05, 2022 @02:04AM (#31270083)
Yes. Anything else wouls go against the sworn secret oath that every taxi driver lives by.
Re:IBM's Asshole Test by reificator on Thursday May 05, 2022 @12:49PM (#31275689)
No I'm just sad that treating someone like a human being is considered a positive and not... you know... the absolute bare minimum someone could do.
Re:IBM's Asshole Test by onion2k on Thursday May 05, 2022 @03:40PM (#31277601)
I'm just sad that treating someone like a human being is considered a positive

Sure. Everyone should be sad about that. There are plenty of people out there who don't have any willingness to treat people in service jobs like driving a taxi with any sort of humanity. Too many people will just ignore the fact that these people are living, breathing human beings with feelings of their own, and treat them as if either they don't exist, or that they exist to serve them. It's quite appalling.

Treating someone like a human being means having kindness, respect, and empathy for them. It means not expecting them to demean themselves just because you're paying them to do something. It's treating them well even without knowing them.

It's quite a high bar apparently, and a lot of people out there don't manage it.

Re:IBM's Asshole Test by reificator on Thursday May 05, 2022 @04:50PM (#31278260)
> It's quite a high bar apparently, and a lot of people out there don't manage it.

It's not a high bar. There's just a surprising number of people that are really good at playing limbo.

Re:IBM's Asshole Test by Wires77 on Thursday May 05, 2022 @01:17AM (#31269791)
> A lot of the time it'll be "they were OK", but occasionally you'll get[...]

Missed this first half of the sentence.

Re:IBM's Asshole Test by reificator on Thursday May 05, 2022 @01:33AM (#31269895)
So our range is somewhere around:

- They were OK

- They treated me like a human being

- They were rude

There's no room for "We had an interesting conversation" or "They gave me some good advice" or "I think I made a new friend"? Not even "They seemed like a good person"?

The maximum is "They treated me like a human being" which is somehow above "They were OK"?

Re:IBM's Asshole Test by yukinon on Thursday May 05, 2022 @01:42AM (#31269948)
I can't speak for the Parent commenter, but I get the feeling you are taking what he said a little too literally. Those were simply examples of what could be said during the process. Their reply was not intended to be an exhaustive list of all the responses.
Re:IBM's Asshole Test by reificator on Thursday May 05, 2022 @01:51AM (#31269999)
My previous comment, perhaps.

My original point, however, was to highlight the fact that "They treated me like a human being" was given as the example of a positive interaction.

Which is absolutely absurd. And I don't think I'm taking that too literally.

Re:IBM's Asshole Test by yukinon on Thursday May 05, 2022 @01:59AM (#31270049)
Again, can't speak for OP, but I doubt it was intended as an example of a positive interaction - rather it's meant to be an indication that there was NOT a negative interaction. Again, those words are just examples of what could be said. They weren't saying "This is absolutely the words we used and built an entire decision of someone off of" or even anything close to "This is the range we specifically had".

I get the impression everything was relatively informal in the process they described. In forums like these, it's about looking at the spirit of what they were trying to say and get across.

Re:IBM's Asshole Test by bibinou on Thursday May 05, 2022 @03:21AM (#31270556)
You must be fun in taxis.
Re:IBM's Asshole Test by Shocka1 on Thursday May 05, 2022 @09:22AM (#31272976)
I was thinking the same. I get the whole Hacker News "being a contrarian just to be a contrarian" thing, but this specific thread has gone much further than I thought it would.
Re:IBM's Asshole Test by mcguire on Thursday May 05, 2022 @12:25PM (#31275367)
To be fair, defending 'being a n asshole' is hard to do.
Re:IBM's Asshole Test by reificator on Thursday May 05, 2022 @12:29PM (#31275419)
Wait I'm an asshole? For being upset that treating taxi drivers "as a human being" is considered a positive interaction instead of the absolute bare minimum of a respectful member of society?
Re:IBM's Asshole Test by mcguire on Thursday May 05, 2022 @04:11PM (#31277912)
1. Neither I nor anyone else in this thread has accused you of being an asshole.

2. Have you interacted with many human beings?

We'd all love it if being treated as a human being were the bare minimum, but quite a few people didn't get the memo and fall quite a bit below it. You really do want to filter out those folks in your hiring process. Unfortunately, here on HN, some commenters view any sort of hiring filter, much less one like "don't be an asshole", as a personal attack.

Re:IBM's Asshole Test by reificator on Thursday May 05, 2022 @04:46PM (#31278208)
1. Apologies, the posts you replied to were shitting on me so I misinterpreted your comment as agreeing with them. ("you must be fun ~~at parties~~ in taxis" is a common dismissal + insult online)

2. Yeah... You're not wrong.