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Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by simonh on Sunday May 01, 2022 @08:20AM (#31224428)
Censorship is (roughly speaking) the suppression or prohibition of a particular point of view, or the speech of a person. This is not that. No points of view are prohibited, and if these people want to express their opinions in public or on other forums that choose to deal with them, they are feee to do so. This is a restraint of trade.
Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by legalcorrection on Sunday May 01, 2022 @08:38AM (#31224526)
No. Preventing you from reading someone’s website is censorship.
Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by simonh on Sunday May 01, 2022 @08:54AM (#31224641)
Closing a book shop or newspaper because it was funded by criminals isn’t censorship. That’s hysterical hyperbole.

Anyway this isn’t really about reading websites particularly, it’s mainly about accessing commercial internet services like search or commercial sites. It just happens that internet publishers are also businesses so they can be affected too. However there’s nothing in this targets speech and that doesn’t seem to be the intention.

Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by car_analogy on Sunday May 01, 2022 @10:37AM (#31225343)
But they're not closing the websites - they're preventing people in the UK from accessing them.

To work with your analogy - this is like intercepting a shipment of newspapers, and blacking out any ads placed in them by criminals. Regardless of what the ads say - they're criminals, why should they be entitled to say "I'm innocent"?

Sorry - why should they be entitled to printing press amplify their voice. They can just scream in their cells - their free speech isn't being curtailed.

Who knows, maybe it is too dangerous to let them speak - but at least have the honesty to call it what it is - censorship.

Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by simonh on Sunday May 01, 2022 @12:10PM (#31226176)
It's like banning anyone in the UK ordering things from the Maffia in Italy, and it happens that one of the businesses the Maffia operates is a newspaper, so you're banned from importing it. Being a publisher isn't an end run around the rest of the law.
Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by car_analogy on Sunday May 01, 2022 @12:28PM (#31226319)
> ordering [..] importing [..]

So block financial transactions with the sanctioned entities - problem solved. Unless your real intent isn't blocking money, but speech.

Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by simonh on Sunday May 01, 2022 @03:16PM (#31227803)
These people profit from the operation of these sites, or many of them anyway, that’s what is being targeted. Even in the case of a publishing site advertising revenue due to page impressions is a legitimate target.
Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by native_samples on Sunday May 01, 2022 @03:04PM (#31227700)
What on earth makes you think "designated individuals" are criminals? They aren't being prosecuted, they haven't been found guilty in any court of law. They've just been blacklisted by some random civil servants and politicians who want to be seen to be doing something. Not much different to the US no fly lists.
Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by simonh on Sunday May 01, 2022 @03:12PM (#31227768)
Honestly that’s a separate issue, I don’t know about the legality of this, I’m just pointing out this is nothing to do with censorship.
Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by dgfitz on Sunday May 01, 2022 @08:55AM (#31224643)
cen·sorship /ˈsensərSHip/

noun 1.The suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.

Does this fit that definition? I would argue no it does not but I’m open to be convinced otherwise.

Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by toast0 on Sunday May 01, 2022 @08:59AM (#31224677)
It's suppression or prohibition of etc.

And it's because the government (politics) deems it unacceptable.

Fits the definition.

Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by simonh on Sunday May 01, 2022 @09:12AM (#31224752)
The business enterprises of these people are being targeted. If some of those happen to be publishing businesses, they are included, but publishing businesses or opinion sites etc are not being singled out. It’s not the content of these sites (those that are content sites) that’s the issue, it’s the business beneficial ownership. It’s their finances that are the target, not their speech.

Publishing businesses are still businesses and subject to the law. If they want to exercise their speech rights in other legal ways, they are free to do so.

Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by dgfitz on Sunday May 01, 2022 @10:54AM (#31225497)
I agree with simonh on this one. Ideas aren’t being censored. Political parties aren’t being censored. I do not agree with saying “because government” makes it political. That’s like saying speeding tickets are political “because government” is involved in the process.
Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by usrn on Sunday May 01, 2022 @09:13AM (#31224760)
Most public forums have a very narrow window of allowed ideas. Personal websites are the best way to explore new things and not get pigeonholed.

It's weird to hear someone on HN argue against them. Of all the forums I use this is probably the most pro-personal-website one.

Re:Russia Sanctions Add Shock Internet Censorship Twist for ... by simonh on Sunday May 01, 2022 @09:27AM (#31224855)
The target of this isn’t particularly personal web sites like blogs and such. All the commercial activities and business interests of these people are being targeted. It’s mainly about commercial sites for which these people are the beneficial owners. Remember we talking about billionaire oligarchs many of who’s businesses will have commercial web sites and web applications. As a matter of law it’s conceivable it might affect their personal sites, if they have any, but that’s incidental.