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Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by lkbm on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @09:54AM (#31179904)
True, it's not a full loss. A heat pump can easily be 400% efficient, though, so I'd rather lean on that except in extreme cold.

Still, not a bad idea to run Folding@Home all winter.

Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by titzer on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @10:41AM (#31180483)
IIUC you need a higher temperature source from which to pump heat, so in the winter, where do you get that temperature differential?
Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by jhenkens on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @10:52AM (#31180617)
Thankfully, you are wrong about that! Just like you don't need a cooler source _from which to source cold_ in the summer with AC. Technology Connections has a fun (well, to me) video on how heat pumps work and are great. Literally just AC units running in reverse, thanks to having a valve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J52mDjZzto

Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by extra88 on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @12:39PM (#31182284)
Yes, Technology Connections is a great channel and added a couple of new videos about heat pumps in the past month.

https://www.youtube.com/c/TechnologyConnections/videos

Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by bombcar on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @11:08AM (#31180827)
At a certain temperature differential you need to source "heat" from elsewhere, which is why up north you either need a geothermal heat pump (underground piping) or you supplement with gas or electric heat.

Some very efficient pumps can work down to 0 degrees, but most start losing efficiency at 25 to 40 (Fahrenheit).

For some parts of the world, a heat pump is perfect - pump in heat in the winter and heat out in the summer, but when the outside temperature can hit -40º Fahrenheit (which is -40º Celsius), you're gonna need something else.

Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by outworlder on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @02:29PM (#31183881)
For the overwhelming majority of the world they are perfect. Even in high latitudes, they might only reach those extremes for a few days in a year, that's when you would require a backup.

Losing efficiency is fine since they are so ridiculously efficient to begin with.

Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by lmt55 on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @11:13AM (#31180908)
This is not true, any more than your fridge needing a source of cold from which to cool itself down.
Re:No, you can’t save £30 per year by switching off your “st... by ryankrage77 on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @05:51PM (#31186259)
The temperature differential is between the outside temperature and -273°C. There's still heat energy to be captured even on a cold day.