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Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by LeoNatan25 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:24AM (#31167166)
Exactly what I feel. Part of what gives me that feeling is that Panic and Cabel Sasser are such Twitter “darlings”, so everyone has been gushing over this for years.

Also, some of the hardware choices are really stupid. No LCD backlight is ridiculous. Playing to nostalgia goes only so far. When it actively hinders the enjoyment of the product, the product just isn’t very good.

Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by reaperducer on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:34AM (#31167259)
When it actively hinders the enjoyment of the product, the product just isn’t very good

I'm a bit confused here. In the beginning of your comment, you imply that you haven't used one. Then at the end, you state that the lack of a backlight "actively hinders" the product.

How would you know if the lack of a backlight actively hinders the product, if you haven't used it?

The review indicates that the lack of a backlight isn't a problem at all. That's from someone who's actually used it. How is it that you know more about this product's usability when you haven't used it?

31 comments in, and 90% of the posts here are people who have never used the product complaining how bad it is based on their pre-conceived assumptions, or making wild guesses.

I miss the old days of HN when people would post when they had something substantive to add, not just to slake their vanity by seeing their words in print and pretend they're an expert on things they know little about.

Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by LeoNatan25 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:38AM (#31167318)
I know because I’m old enough to have used a Gameboy without backlight. There is, still, in 2022, a hardware modding scene that modifies old Gameboy, Color and Advance hardware to have active backlight. What do you reckon the reason for that is? Because the lack of backlight actively hinders the enjoyment of those products. But they were released decades ago, not in 2022.

Is it your “take” that without testing just about every product out there, people are not allowed to form and opinion, and post about it on the internet?

Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by ihuman on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:49AM (#31167430)
Did you read the article? It has images comparing the screen to the original Game Boy's under different lighting conditions halfway down the page.

Edit: as for why there isn't a front light (like the first GBA SP):

> So unlike an LCD, which has transparency to let a backlight shine through, ours is extremely reflective on the back and lets NO light shine through, so backlight isn’t possible! We tested a front light solution and it was… not great. But we’ll keep researching for future models!

https://www.twitter.com/playdate/status/1131736869153017856

Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by layer8 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:06AM (#31167635)
I modded my original Gameboy in the early 90s to add edge LEDs (green ones), which was a significant improvement. Surely something like that would have been possible. Purely reflective LCD isn’t easy on the eyes, even if it’s super reflective. It was okay for PDAs (Palm Pilot) that you only use for a minute or so at a time, but for gaming it really isn’t very attractive.
Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by ihuman on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:28AM (#31167884)
Did those LEDs reflect off the front of the display? They said they tried something like that, but it wasn't good enough. It looks like the reflectiveness is closer to epaper than a mirror.
Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by LeoNatan25 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:35AM (#31167980)
The system described by the commenter sits between the LCD and the front plastic. There are no reflection issues as far as I am aware.
Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by layer8 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:49AM (#31168157)
That’s right. I actually had forgotten about the front plastic, but am remembering now that you mention it. The lighting from the LEDs wasn’t completely uniform (I had six LEDs, three on the right and three on the left, I believe), but good enough.
Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by ihuman on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:43AM (#31168086)
That's what I assumed the person meant, and what the twitter link I posted talked about. I also mentioned the reflectiveness because the commenter talked about problems with overly-reflective screens.
Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by nvrspyx on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:28AM (#31167885)
> Did you read the article? It has images comparing the screen to the original Game Boy's under different lighting conditions halfway down the page.

That's a good point, but how fair is the comparison really when the Gameboy's screen is at least 20 years old and has surely degraded during that time? With that said, neither look great under the dimmer lighting even if the Playdate is a step up.

Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by reaperducer on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:15AM (#31167729)
Is it your “take” that without testing just about every product out there, people are not allowed to form and opinion, and post about it on the internet?

Informed opinions are awesome. Uninformed opinions are not. They're just noise.

The fact that you think this is anything like the Gameboy screen shows that you not only didn't read the article, but that you haven't used the product. Therefore your "opinion" is uninformed, and therefore nothing more than what the children today call "a hot take."

Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by breakfastduck on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:14AM (#31167709)
No, they're clearly getting at the fact you're making assumptions which the review, which you're citing, specifically refutes.
Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by simonh on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:49AM (#31167431)
Fortunately the review has you covered:

>"the contrast ratio on this screen is magnificent, which means ambient daytime light will generally do the trick, as opposed to needing a Game Boy-esque light bulb bolted over the screen"

Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by MBCook on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:10AM (#31167669)
GameBoys used a standard LCD screen, not the kind of screen on the PlayDate. It’s FAR more reflective so it should the a problem except in the dark.
Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by LeoNatan25 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:22AM (#31167806)
But my whole point is about playing at the evening/night. I had no issues playing a GB during the day.
Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by philistine on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:49PM (#31174997)
Do you play video games in complete darkness? Are you a gaming vampire? Just one light in the room should be enough for Playdate, if the pictures are any indication.
Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by MattRix on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:28AM (#31167886)
Most other devices “actively hindered” by bright sunlight, whereas this one is not. Seems like an interesting tradeoff.
Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by LeoNatan25 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @10:38AM (#31168020)
Maybe it’s my play style that is different. I don’t sit in the park, under the sun, to play handheld gaming devices. I do play on busses, trains and airplanes, as well as indoors, where there isn’t a lot of ambient light. I used to sit under a desk lamp to play the GB at evening/night. That was very uncomfortable.
Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by philistine on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @08:47PM (#31174981)
You're comparing your past experiences with old unlit screens of the 90s. Modern unlit screens are a whole different deal. Back then unlit screens existed to give good battery life. Nowadays, unlit screens exist to be useful under sunlight. It's a whole different ballgame.
Re:Panic Playdate In-Depth Review by andai on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @11:19AM (#31168563)
My friend had one of those gameboy attachments that would shine a little LED lamp on the screen.