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Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by raxxorraxor on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:21AM (#31156133)
I hope nobody listens to the German government on speech rules and nobody should. There should be a rule that you have to make it through 1 century without creating 2 dictatorships before you can even say anything about allowed or forbidden speech. And no, none of these dictatorships had anything close to free expression like some people hilariously and tragically suggested.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by mmmmmbop on Monday April 25, 2022 @12:20PM (#31157012)
Which are the two dictatorships you are thinking about?

Your proposed rule might be unpractical, since it would disallow the U.S. government from from saying anything about free speech for at least 30 more years (see [1] and [2]).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A...

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by esyir on Monday April 25, 2022 @02:14PM (#31158629)
As far as I can tell, those didn't look like the USA applying martial law to large swathes of its populace.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by mmmmmbop on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:05PM (#31159844)
That's true, but also not the criteria the original poster proposed.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by umanwizard on Monday April 25, 2022 @01:36PM (#31158138)
They presumably meant the Nazi period (1933-1945) and the period of SED rule in East Germany (1949-1990).
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by robonerd on Monday April 25, 2022 @02:56PM (#31159144)
It's a sliver over a hundred years ago now, but Germany was also under a military dictatorship lead by Hindenburg and Ludendorff from 1916 through 1918.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by hef19898 on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:19PM (#31159392)
Free speech was all but dead between 1914 and 1918 everywhere. Not saying Luddendorff wasn't defacto military dictator, he was, just pointing out that this had no additional negative impact on free speech during this time.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by raxxorraxor on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:51AM (#31164730)
I was talking about the Nazi and the GDR regime. I am aware that US foreign policy is controversial, but never did the US murder people on a comparable scale.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by kmeisthax on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:32PM (#31159520)
The current set of German speech rules were specifically designed to keep one of those two dictatorships from reasserting control once the Americans and Soviets stopped looking. They didn't write the rules themselves; the Allies did.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by raxxorraxor on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:46AM (#31164704)
Before Hitler came to power laws against "hate speech" were already in place from the century before. He used the fact to depict himself as an outcast until he came to power and curbed freedom of speech to a far more significant degree.

Suffice to say that censorship was pretty prevalent through the history of Germany and it did not provide the advantages some had hoped.

And the allies did censor speech that is true.

> The representative of the Allied forces admitted that the order in principle was no different from the Nazi book burnings, although unlike the burnings, the measure was seen as a temporary part of the denazification program.

In that case the measure can be understood as the country was full of Nazi propaganda and alternative media was more or less dead. But it was indeed temporary and the Allies also wrote Germany's constitution, which explicitly forbid censorship.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by hef19898 on Monday April 25, 2022 @12:25PM (#31157092)
You should go through at least one to be properly able to judgr free speech and its limitations and risks.
Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by mr_toad on Monday April 25, 2022 @09:20PM (#31162933)
> There should be a rule that you have to make it through 1 century without creating 2 dictatorships before you can even say anything about allowed or forbidden speech.

Lies and incitements to violence were a significant factor in Hitler being able to assume emergency powers, so you could argue that Germany learned a valuable lesson from one of its dictators.

Re:Twitter set to accept Musk's $43B offer – sources by raxxorraxor on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @02:53AM (#31164740)
On the contrary, he did get banned from participation multiple times and used that fact to picture himself a martyr.