Reducing speech limits won't reverse the clock, but it does make me think that speech limits and cesspool-ness are largely independent of each other.
Either way, reddit is unlike twitter and more like a network of networks, so the same result might not occur there.
> At the same time, Reddit has been trying to increase monetization. In the aftermath of Taylor's firing, reports surfaced that the company was planning to add more video interviews and other sponsored content to generate more money with popular features on the site, something that Taylor apparently advised against.
You're talking about the obvious in your face censorship and bans that were going on at the same time as these other changes to become attractive to advertisers (and their target demographic) fleeing facebook. But these changes all happened at once and they came from the same source. They cannot be separated.
I remember that, and just like most other times there is a mass protest on a social media site about social media itself, the uproar and discontent was largely weak, reactionary, and disturbingly out-of-touch with the business realities of the company. There's a very good reason the complainers didn't get what they wanted.
My perspective isn't more valid than yours, but I think you might underestimate how many people literally fled reddit due to the deluge of hate and highly antagonistic posts about US politics.
Indeed, if Elon Musk takes Twitter private and uses his power to force 'free speech' on the rest of us, and I start seeing references to kikes and fags and such in every casual tech discussion, I'll just close my Twitter account and walk away.
I want a moderated forum. I like what dang does for HN. I don't want a free speech heaven, because it reliably turns into hell. I used to run my own BBS back in the 80s, and even then it was obvious. If you don't put in guardrails, the assholes take over and suck all the oxygen out of the room.
While HN is moderated, you can have pretty much any fair view as long as it contributes to the discussion. Which is nice and the ideal middle ground. Although I will say, I never have any issues with Twitter and the moderation is just fine besides some high profile cases I disagree with. I would say it's even to lax.
The longer a service is around, and the more broad (less cohesive) its userbase, the more likely it is garbage.
Focused communities can last a long time.
Broad communities flame out, particularly when user-interaction becomes the gauge of what's shown by default.
The irony is that there were far fewer mice running around when we didn't set out mousetraps.
People love to ponder how to improve social networking, and what the best model might be. The truth is that the best forum is simply the new one that the masses haven't caught onto yet.
W.r.t removing current limits, again I see no evidence of that, except maybe people who were banned for making fun of journalists for telling them the same thing they were telling other people (learn 2 code) might get reinstated. Death threats? No chance. Blatant racism? Nope. Harassment? Well does that happen already? It's not clear. Sexism? Again no clear lines here. Trump I hope never comes back and it may stay that way. I don't think Elon really cares about Trump.
Why would he force trans people out? Elon doesn’t seem like some religious conservative or anything.
This reminds me of how the media and folks fed and ate the narrative that Jordan Peterson is a kind of terrible human who hates trans people.
> Mr Peterson told him that being trans was a “sociological contagion” which he compared to “the satanic ritual abuse accusations that emerged in daycares in the 1980s.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20220206173028/https://www.indep...
I'm really confused here. Joe Rogan has had other guests like Sanjay Gupta and Bernie Sanders on as well. Would their comments be further amplified on Twitter (or whatever you are envisioning here) as well via a similar indirect link to Elon Musk?
But the whole blow up was because he did not think the Canadian government should force people to use the correct pronouns. He said he would use them voluntarily if someone asked him, but it was wrong to use force to require others to do so.
Therefore he is a trans hater and an evil person.
Sounds amazing. Maybe then we'll finally have a truly neutral platform with no censorship of any kind.
This utopian "free speech" bastion never works out on the internet and always devolves into congregations of hate groups, which normalize themselves and spread. Look at 4ch => 8ch => Brennan's postmortem on the experiment.
Plus there will always be a level of moderation. No censorship of any kind would immediately become overrun with child porn. This has already happened countless times on other platforms.
It simply will never work.
Nope. These places are full of all kinds of people. There's just a wider spectrum. You'll see the best and worst of humanity.
> No censorship of any kind would immediately become overrun with child porn.
That's obviously not allowed anywhere, not even on chans.
You think "Lord Edge" is going to make Twitter less of a cesspool? Everything he's said and done indicates he wants the limits Twitter currently has on speech to be removed.