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Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by boffinAudio on Monday April 25, 2022 @06:52AM (#31152803)
>How would you suggest the UK "stops the small boats"?

Instead of financing the wars that create the poverty that these people are fleeing from, use that financing to improve services in their society and create better standards of living.

Its not like the English don't have a long history of colonialism and imperialism to pay for. The debt is due. More should be done to make up the damage done by hundreds of years of exploitation by English lords.

Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by matthew40 on Monday April 25, 2022 @07:44AM (#31153164)
Handing out cash does not solve any problems. Cf. Afghanistan.

You don't just build a modern country or civilization by dropping some helicopter-dollars, that's not how it works. Unless you tell me you want to send doctors, engineers, school teachers, etc, there, to "civilize" them, but i thought you were against colonization ?

Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by pacija on Monday April 25, 2022 @08:42AM (#31153616)
What do you mean by handing out cash cf. Afganistan? Last I heard Afganistan's billions of cash reserves were seized by USA. You mean handing out Afgani cash to US oligarchs does not solve any problems? I can agree with that.
Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by matthew40 on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:30AM (#31155362)
"Half a billion dollars of aircraft that flew for about a year. A huge $85 million hotel that never opened, and sits in disrepair. Camouflage uniforms for the Afghan army whose fancy pattern would cost an extra $28 million. A healthcare facility listed as located in the Mediterranean Sea.

These are part of a catalog of "waste, fraud and abuse" complaints made against the United States' reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan -- an effort totaling $145 billion over 20 years -- made by the United States' own inspector general into the war. But the in-depth audits detailing these findings have, for the most part, been taken offline at the request of the State Department, citing security concerns."

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/07/asia/us-afghanistan-spend...

Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by boffinAudio on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:13AM (#31165142)
You can't honestly be comparing the heinous wastefulness of an out-of-control military industrial complex' spending, with the civil desire to instead be funding schools and water treatment plants and hospitals and universities, and roads and bridges and clinics and other civil institutions targeted for destruction in the initial hours of the Wests bombing campaigns against the people caught in our targeting reticles...
Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by Veen on Monday April 25, 2022 @08:08AM (#31153355)
It's fascinating that you specify "the English". As if the Scottish, French, Spanish, Turkish, and many others don't have a history of colonialism. Plus, your argument seems to imply that English people today must pay for the actions of their ancestors, which is quite a strong claim.
Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by arethuza on Monday April 25, 2022 @08:49AM (#31153700)
To be fair, Scotland did try and be a colonial power - but was incredibly incompetent at it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darien_scheme

Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by smcl on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:09AM (#31155953)
It's kind of interesting that the area is to this day pretty rough, devoid of big settlements and the single reason you can't drive the length of the Americas - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dari%C3%A9n_Gap

Though to be clear I agree that it was incompetence that scuppered the scheme, reading little snippets on the scheme itself the colonists were woefully ill equipped for the task of creating a settlement.

Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by arethuza on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:40AM (#31156419)
My favourite bit is that the organisation set up to handle the English "bail out" money eventually became RBS which, a few hundred years later ended up requiring yet another epic bailout from the UK government.
Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by smcl on Monday April 25, 2022 @11:54AM (#31156645)
I had no idea about that, what an interesting fact :D
Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by arethuza on Monday April 25, 2022 @12:17PM (#31156979)
I got that from the book "Shredded: Inside RBS: The Bank that Broke Britain" by Ian Fraser.

Another interesting fact: for a short while before it imploded, RBS was actually the largest bank in the world by assets!

Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by kergonath on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:00AM (#31154855)
The Spanish and Turkish have nothing to do with refugees crossing the channel, though. Why these people do that is because of the previous presence of the British Empire in their corner of the world, otherwise they'd have stopped on the way; there are several countries they have to cross that are not really any worse than the UK for people in their situation.

The Spanish have their own share of problems at their border with Morocco and along their mediterranean coast.

Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by Chris2048 on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:07AM (#31154964)
What has the former British empire got to do with choice of destination? Do you mean English speaking?

I though the reason they aim for the UK is the impression of a good quality of life.

Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by kergonath on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:27AM (#31155291)
For Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Middle East in general, yes, the language and some kind of cultural knowledge. The same reason why a lot of Vietnamese, Laotian, or Lebanese refugees went to France some decades ago. They need to know about the quality of life, which happens mostly if there is some kind of cultural contact.

Quality of life in the UK is good, don't get me wrong, but not orders of magnitude better than what they could find on the continent.

Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by boffinAudio on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:21AM (#31165182)
The reason they desire to come to the UK is that is where the bombs are not being dropped by UK's forces and their allies.
Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by Veen on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @01:35PM (#31170475)
Unless I've been unusually inattentive, I think I'm right in saying the UK isn't currently dropping bombs on France.
Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by boffinAudio on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:17AM (#31165161)
Its fascinating that your sly xenophobia has been applied in an argument posited in a thread specifically about Oxford Street, a very English institution, in an attempt to deflect from the very real crimes against humanity for which the English people, as recipients of war treasure, are indeed responsible.

Whataboutism is the last resort of cowards. The fact is, the UK (euphemistically referred to as the "English" by most of the rest of the non-Anglo world) has the blood of millions of innocent victims on its hands TODAY. Not just generationally, but in the context of the current zeitgeist, the "English" are recipients of a great deal of war treasure in the form of direct arms sales to extremist, totalitarian-authoritarian fascist entities across the globe. TODAY.

It is why there are 34 million refugees from our wars out there, today, desperate to escape the bombings that have been carried out on average every twenty minutes, for the last twenty years...

Those bomb sales are war treasure to more than just the denizens of Oxford Street.

Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by baud147258 on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:38AM (#31167316)
did the UK sold bombs (and other armaments) to the regimes of Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Libya... responsible for some of the refugee crisis you're talking about?
Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by boffinAudio on Friday May 06, 2022 @03:46AM (#31282480)
Yes. In fact, they did. And they also dropped bombs on those states, causing immense suffering for the civilians that became refugees.
Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by Chris2048 on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:06AM (#31154949)
Which wars are you talking about?
Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by boffinAudio on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:10AM (#31165129)
Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan .. and now Ukraine.

The UK military-industrial oligarchical system has its fingers in all of these heinous pies. Yet the UK social system is not prepared to subject itself to the indignity of a single war refugee finding solace from the Wests' incessant bombing...

Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by Chris2048 on Monday May 02, 2022 @09:32AM (#31234888)
The UK is bombing Ukraine?
Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by boffinAudio on Friday May 06, 2022 @03:46AM (#31282485)
It is certainly delivering weapons specifically for the purpose of making Ukraine into a living hell.
Re:The candy stores of Oxford Street by Chris2048 on Friday May 06, 2022 @06:40AM (#31283606)
For invading forces you mean? The ones making life hell for the native population?