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Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by mlindner on Sunday April 24, 2022 @08:40PM (#31149649)
He's not an inept businessman. He's someone with aspergers who takes someone at face value at all times. If someone says something is the case he believes them. He doesn't handle being deceived well nor does he know when it's happening.

And actually he's not a "businessman" at all. He's an engineer at heart. "Businessman" would require strong social skills, not something someone with aspergers has good ability at.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by hnbad on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:52AM (#31152391)
> He's someone with aspergers who takes someone at face value at all times. He doesn't handle being deceived well nor does he know when it's happening.

> "Businessman" would require strong social skills, not something someone with aspergers has good ability at.

This exact nonsense is why the autistic community was so displeased when he made a big show of having "asperger's" (which in the US under DSM-V is just autism, btw). Can we please stop justifying toxic and reckless behavior with "oh but they're autistic" as if we're talking about naive children not grown adults?

Autistics tend to struggle with ambiguity and social cues, yes, but many of us are even more sensitive to social cues than allistics because we literally had to learn to pick up on this shit to survive. A lot of autistics report actually being hyper-empathetic to the point where it can be debilitating because it's hard to filter out the noise and determine which cues you're supposed to pick up on and which ones you're supposed to ignore.

Elon Musk is a dickhead AND autistic. He's not a dickhead because he's autistic. He's naive because he got extremely lucky (like all billionaires do, even if it's only winning the lottery of being born into wealthy families with ample of business opportunities) and overestimates his own intelligence (which isn't helped by his massive fanbase thinking he's the best thing since sliced bread because he bought and funded some companies developing tech he thought was cool), not because he's autistic.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by mlindner on Monday April 25, 2022 @06:06AM (#31152493)
> This exact nonsense is why the autistic community was so displeased when he made a big show of having "asperger's" (which in the US under DSM-V is just autism, btw). Can we please stop justifying toxic and reckless behavior with "oh but they're autistic" as if we're talking about naive children not grown adults?

There's no such thing as "the autistic community" (though I won't deny some people may self-proclaim themselves as part of some non-existent community) and I'm not justifying anything by what I said. It's just how he thinks.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by hnbad on Monday April 25, 2022 @06:24AM (#31152607)
> It's just how he thinks.

And I, as an autist, am telling you that this is a farcical caricature that is routinely used to excuse shitty behavior and at the same time deny us autonomy.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by mlindner on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @08:50PM (#31187637)
I don't see how my opinion of the reasons someone else's behavior denies you autonomy in any way. Also I probably have aspergers (at least a lot of other people including family members have told me I seem like I have it but I've never been diagnosed) and his behavior is very understandable from my point of view.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by lozenge on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:29AM (#31151521)
Sounds like you're agreeing disagreeably. He's inept as a businessman.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by fxtentacle on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:19AM (#31151461)
Very interesting theory. But do you have a source?
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by hoseja on Monday April 25, 2022 @04:47AM (#31151960)
Watch any of his speeches.
Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by ohgodplsno on Monday April 25, 2022 @03:32AM (#31151535)
>He's an engineer at heart.

He has not built anything.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by andruby on Monday April 25, 2022 @05:01AM (#31152052)
He did code on Zip2 and sold that startup successfully.

Also, his official title at SpaceX is "Chief Engineer" [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by hnbad on Monday April 25, 2022 @06:15AM (#31152548)
> He did code on Zip2 and sold that startup successfully.

Selling a startup is not an engineering achievment but a business achievment.

> Also, his official title at SpaceX is "Chief Engineer"

Owning a company means you can give yourself whatever titles you want.

So your entire argument seems to boil down to "he wrote code for Zip2", which happened a quarter of a century ago.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by hef19898 on Monday April 25, 2022 @06:29AM (#31152640)
Oh, I know some of those self-appoined chief engineers (cool title, I get it, one should earn it so). They almost drove the comoany into the ground. And they never shipped anything in their whole lives neither.

EDIT: And they think they are Musk as well. Without the same ability to raise money that's incredible dangerous so.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by andruby on Monday April 25, 2022 @10:04AM (#31154918)
I'm not really trying to make a strong case. I'm just a little disappointed when people say "He has not built anything".

Isn't that a little mean, and elitist?

No person is perfect. And Elon Musk certainly has flaws. But saying he's not built anything about someone playing a crucial role in 3+ huge companies just feels wrong.

If we compare him to the CEO's of the other Fortune 50 companies, he seems like one of the most engineering-minded.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by hnbad on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @04:57AM (#31165354)
I'm not sure "elitist" is the right word for criticizing the wealthiest man on Earth's habit of portraying himself as a genius rocket surgeon.

I'm not saying he's never written a line of code. I'm saying he's vastly exaggerating his contributions to the technologies he is known for and his only "engineering" credentials are unspecified contributions to a dot com boom software company that repurposed an existing navigation database for its USP while essentially selling web listings to companies.

When people hear Musk is an "engineer" I doubt they're thinking of someone probably just writing some HTML2.0 pages and CGI Perl scripts, if that. It's also important to keep in mind that the history of Zip2 is scantly documented beyond "the brothers Musk founded it and then sold it for millions some years later" so we don't even know if Elon wrote even a single line of code or whether he meaningfully contributed to the software at all.

Even if we're exceptionally credulous and believe he wrote all of Zip2 himself, that makes him a programmer, not an engineer in the sense it is implied when talking about his involvement in Tesla or SpaceX. Knowing how to build physical machines is very different from knowing how to write software, and I say that as a seasoned software dev.

Re:Twitter re-examines Elon Musk’s bid, may be more receptiv... by ohgodplsno on Monday April 25, 2022 @08:59AM (#31153843)
Being a software developer doesn't make you an engineer, despite what half of SV would like you to believe.