> Most Russians support this war.

It’s because all the Russians that would not support it know how sick Russia is, and have already left it behind.

All the Russians I know are sane people, but all of them live outside Russia :/

I know Russians exactly as you have described - they have abandoned their home and family, unable to partake in such a sick society for any longer. Yes, they're the sane Russians.

Ask sane russians two simple questions - "When did WWII started?" and "Who won the WWII?". Most likely you'll hear "1941" and "Soviets" as a response. It's important to understand that russians live in imperialistic narration and propaganda for centuries. Their most renowned poet, Pushkin, is not very different from modern russian TV-propagandists in their ardent support of wars. Even the "sane russians" see the world through the lens of alternative history and set of beliefes incompatible with democratic governance. So while they're minority, they still carry the same memes and cultural DNA that enabled Stalin and Putin. It is a very sick nation.

Those Russians who are on your side are very sorry for your tragedy, but don't feel responsible for being born into a dictatorship. And those who aren't, are vocally unashamed for other reasons.

I don't think being born into a dictatorship is an excuse. Not for me anyway.

This is why Ukrainians fight so hard, and will never surrender: their parents grew up under Russian oppression, they've been living in freedom for 30 years, and they do not want their children to grow up under similar oppression as their parents.

Not to mention that Russian state media has basically declared every Ukrainian who isn't actively helping Russia, to be "Nazis", and they should all be killed or put to slave labour. That's an outright call to massive genocide. Ukrainians have no option but to fight.

All the reasons why Russia will eventually lose this conflict one way or another.

Totally agree. Ukraine will never, ever, give up. The price will be high, but there is no other choice.

Because the UK and US will not allow a peace treaty between Russia and Ukraine, they want "to fight to the last Ukrainian standing".

Ukrainians will indeed fight to the last Ukrainian standing, you tend to do that when you have barbarian Russians raping and murdering your populace and you would prefer not to live under their purely evil dictatorship.

(that really doesn't require any encouragement from the UK, or the US)

(I note your account was created in response to the Russian invasion - your motives are very transparently pro-Kremlin)

After the meeting in Istanbul, everyone in Russia and Ukraine had hope for an early peace (even the stock market speaks about it), the next day Ukrainian air forces attacked Russia (Belgorod) for the first time. This is was a clear sign, that UK and US has no goal to complete this was as soon as possible. The real goal is to get stuck Russia in this swamp for as long as possible. The model of Soviet-Afghan war.

My motives are not pro-Kremlin, but indeed I live in Russia and consume pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian propaganda. However, I can also read popular Ukrainian Telegram channels (> 1 mln.) and I see the mockery of corpses of Russian soldiers in every second video. Ukrainians are happy to savor photos of disfigured bodies. I quite often see videos of Ukrainian women and men with bare bottoms tied to poles because they are supposedly looters, and if there are such videos, then it's scary to imagine how many did not get on the video.

I see how the Ukrainian government contributes to the process of dehumanization of Ukrainian people. And I know why this is being done.

> After the meeting in Istanbul, everyone in Russia and Ukraine had hope for an early peace (even the stock market speaks about it), the next day Ukrainian air forces attacked Russia (Belgorod) for the first time.

Oh no! Now Russia will have to invade them! Oh, wait...

"the Ukrainian government contributes to the process of dehumanization of Ukrainian people."

Given the murders and rapes your countrymen are doing non-stop, this is a purely sick thing to say. I'm glad it's here for all to see - it's a worryingly common Russian attitude, that somehow the Ukrainian government are the dehumanisers, the "Nazi's"...

...and the poor Russians soldiers are the victims.

Did I say that Russian soldiers are the victims? No. I know they killed civilians. I know that many of them are looters.

I strongly against this war. I want it to stop it right now.

The purpose of my message is to show that most people only read pro-Ukraine propaganda and they don't want to figure out what were the reasons for this war.

They don't want to know that the National Guard of Ukraine has a real neo-nazi battalion, which in 2019, 40 US senators recognized as terrorist. Most people don't want to know that there was a war in the east of Ukraine for 8 years and now it's final stage. They don't want to think about Odessa massacre in 2014 when pro-Ukranian activists burned their opponents alive. Air attack on Luhansk in 2014?

I understand that it is easier to construct a chain of thoughts where the Russians are to blame for everything. But not everything is so unipolar. I recommend to watch George Friedman's talk, a man who can hardly be called pro-Russian, but who predicted this conflict: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeLu_yyz3tc

More Kremlin talking points from the account created when the war began. No surprise.

Russians invaded Ukraine, and are raping and murdering civilians - not one or two, countless. Rapes. Executions. Beatings. Murder. Theft. Destruction. Deciding which country is to blame for these barbaric atrocities is very easy for most people.

Russian people will be paying for this for a very, very, long time.

It's quite simple - cancel culture. From both sides. I am afraid to write under my main account, as it will be easy to track me down and I may have problems because of my position in Russia and rest of the world.

I haven't seen any evidence of that and the UK/US haven't got much power to do anything if Zelenski and Putin reached a deal.

Why they should lose it. Nothing is guaranteed.

You don't believe that majority public support for a war involving rape, murder, theft, and destruction of/from civilians is sick?

You don’t believe defense of DNR from valid Nazi treat is valid? You understand Azov are Nazis right? There are 70k Ukrainians led by Nazis in front of DNR, defeating them is completely valid cause for war.

That's the propaganda all right. Swallow that and you'll swallow anything.

You didn't answer my question.

Perhaps you don't realise, but even the Kremlin is admitting they have over-cooked the whole "Azov are all Nazi's" lie... you need to keep up with the disinfo, bro.

Azov are indeed all Nazis, but not all Ukrainians are Azov. You clearly know nothing about Azov.

Ok but Azov are "estimated to be 900 members in 2022."(Wikipedia). How do you justify wrecking a country of 40 million because like 0.01% are bad people?

I'm not sure there were many problems in DNR until Putin deliberately created them after 2014. It was a pleasant and popular holiday destination prior to that I believe.

How are the actions of Putin all that different then the actions of Hitler?

>All out attack on cities? Nope

How would you classify the attacks on cities such as Mariupol if not all out attacks?

>Humanitarian corridors established? Yep

How many times has Russia attacked civilians on those corridors? How many have they mined? How many have they refused to create in the first place?

>Shut down their electricity, utilities, internet? Nope

Given the dependence the Russian military has on such systems for CnC, general communications, and such it is to their advantage to keep them up and active. Attacking power plants wouldn't do much either given the Ukraine grid is now tied to the EU wide grid as of March 16, 2022 if I remember the date correctly.

>Your claims are childish and ignorant.

It appears that I have a deeper understanding of the subject than you do, at least to me.

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What do you think about Russians?

How is this relevant to the parent poster? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism