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Re:Thatcher killed the UK’s superfast broadband before it ev... by alex_young on Thursday April 21, 2022 @03:59PM (#31114498)
That was 40 years ago. Do you think they are still as corrupt?
Re:Thatcher killed the UK’s superfast broadband before it ev... by Matt3o12_ on Thursday April 21, 2022 @04:02PM (#31114531)
Yea there are many examples of high level corruption in the german government (and most western governments actually, including the US). A recent example is the mask scandal with CDU/CSU (same party) https://www.dw.com/en/german-mask-scandal-unforgivable-viola...

You will not find much local corruption though, which is what most people think of when they hear corrupt countries. Local corruption is paying of a cop, judge, that kind of stuff. I’m sure it also happens in Germany, but that is very very rare.

Re:Thatcher killed the UK’s superfast broadband before it ev... by cmrdporcupine on Thursday April 21, 2022 @05:47PM (#31115587)
My experience, having German family: Germans in general are very much about propriety and doing things correctly and are often very harsh if you step outside this line.

So to be corrupt in Germany, and places like it, is to do the "corrupt" thing "correctly" -- e.g. in some structural fashion tied to political parties, long term associations, business connections, etc. that have the appearance of being practical, official, and "right."

A friend of mine who came from Iran originally had a comment like this about western countries corruption vs "third world" or "second world" corruption:

In Iran or etc. corruption is almost more democratic, because it means as a regular layperson you can bribe some local official to make something go your way. It's not just, it's not fair, it's ugly, but it's "accessible" if you have some spare cash.

But in the west, corruption is for the super rich and the connected at a much higher level. e.g. you can't bribe a zoning official so you can build an addition or a shed, but if you're powerful enough you can control a political party and prevent it from investigating your company, have it enact some preferential laws, or stop it from some raising some tax.

Re:Thatcher killed the UK’s superfast broadband before it ev... by guerrilla on Thursday April 21, 2022 @06:11PM (#31115802)
Yeah, I tried to explain this to someone about Portugal too... they didn't get it. If the system is completely broken and going to kill you in a "non-corrupt" country, there's nothing you can do about it as someone who's not a megacapitalist.
Re:Thatcher killed the UK’s superfast broadband before it ev... by johndoe0815 on Thursday April 21, 2022 @04:02PM (#31114522)
Yes - and Covid even accelerated this by enabling shady deals for the delivery of overpriced masks by CDU/CSU politicians. There's even a Wikipedia article about this: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maskenaffäre
Re:Thatcher killed the UK’s superfast broadband before it ev... by guerrilla on Thursday April 21, 2022 @04:01PM (#31114515)
Did you miss the last 40 years? Where's Gerhard Schröder work now?
Re:Thatcher killed the UK’s superfast broadband before it ev... by ta123457864 on Friday April 22, 2022 @01:38PM (#31125157)
Why do you expect that corruption decreases over time?
Re:Thatcher killed the UK’s superfast broadband before it ev... by LargoLasskhyfv on Thursday April 21, 2022 @04:01PM (#31114516)
Ahem. Cum-Ex