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Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by DFHippie on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @05:38PM (#31103381)
This. The cities are actually safer.

The chief difference is that the segment of the media dedicated to keeping people fearful, particularly of their neighbors, is enormous now. It was always the case that media liked stories of conflict, but this was moderated by a sense of propriety and responsibility to the community. Now, certain voices have enormous megaphones and no restraints and the paranoia and anger they are actively promoting against their own society has taken root generally.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by a2tech on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @05:52PM (#31103529)
My wife grew up in the city, and I grew up in the country (not the pretend 'doctors commute to the city and have 10 acres they pretend to farm and raise horses on' but 'white trash, holy shit there's no work' county) and my wife is HORRIFIED by how much violence and random crime there is where I come from. My family still asks how we can live in the city since its so dangerous while meth heads are stealing anhydrous ammonia from fertilizer tanks and will shoot you without blinking if you get in their way just down the street from them.
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by grapeskin on Thursday April 21, 2022 @04:10AM (#31107051)
Yep. Born and raised in a picturesque small town. Went on to live in cities.

I know more than a few people in my small town who got arrested for burglaries and robberies. I know a lot of victims too. Rape basically isn't reported because if the neighbor's boy gets in trouble, that'll ruin the relations between half the town. There are the town drunks who got pulled over more times than you can count and eventually killed someone in a car accident.

You're passing by hundreds if not thousands of people in a few hours in a city. A methhead dancing naked on the street corner is going to catch your eye. The thousands of normal people won't.

In a small town, you're not seeing anyone at all some days. Maybe you're just passing by 5 cars. The opportunity to witness anything is lower.

Of course, plenty of small towns are nice and safe. But the ones that have any problems are proportionally going to be way worse, due to lower population.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by boomboomsubban on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @10:53PM (#31105595)
If it's anything like my experience in a rural town, they'll bemoan the dangers of the cities while Tom's kid got into meth and conned/robbed ten people they know, Dick's kid goes to the bar every night then drives home drunk to beat his family, and Harry's kid was hiding that he had HIV to sleep with several women in town.
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by a2tech on Thursday April 21, 2022 @07:51AM (#31108271)
Yup. My best friends dad would stop at the gas station every night after his shift (2nd shift at a foundry) to get a 6 pack of Labatt that he'd drink while driving home, get home and keep drinking. On a good night he'd smoke, drink more beer and eat warmed up dinner. On a bad night, he'd come home, keep drinking, and get into it with his wife and smack her around for awhile.

As an adult I realize why they always wanted me to stay over was he wouldn't lay into them while I was there. He'd just leave and go to brothers house. Or as we found out later, his girlfriends.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by hef19898 on Thursday April 21, 2022 @03:06AM (#31106735)
The devil I know.
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by wolverine876 on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @08:02PM (#31104616)
> The chief difference is that the segment of the media dedicated to keeping people fearful

Also, there is the Citizen app. I wonder if it's driving perception more than anything else. When I've talked to people in safe cities who nonetheless were ranting to me about crime, I've asked them if they have Citizen, and very many do. Not strong data, but I would love to see some research.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by dtjb on Thursday April 21, 2022 @01:43AM (#31106338)
Citizen is going to get someone killed.
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by wolverine876 on Thursday April 21, 2022 @02:05PM (#31113052)
That's part of the goal, in a way. It used to be called Vigilante - no joke - and the goals remain similar.

Look up the Fast Company article describing them.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by DoneWithAllThat on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @05:55PM (#31103563)
Safer than what? Suburbs with nice sidewalks and tree lined streets and friendly neighbors who know each other? Safer than rural areas where everyone knows everyone and there’s enough law enforcement to work on a 1:1 basis? I’m sorry but this just seems like an absolute nonsense claim.
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by lovich on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @06:05PM (#31103668)
To reply to anecdata with anecdata my experiences with suburbs have been a complete lack of sidewalks in favor of cars and neighbors not talking to each other except in the form of HOA violation notices. For the country, where I grew up, everyone did know everyone else, but that was only a benefit if you were friends with the town sheriff. Good luck taking a walk anywhere when the local hooligans would charge at you with their lifted pickups or roll coal right next to you, and the sheriff threateningly asking you if you are starting a problem when you try and file a complaint
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by tomjakubowski on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @06:35PM (#31103963)
The comment said cities are safer now than they were before, which is true.

> Suburbs with nice sidewalks and tree lined streets and friendly neighbors who know each other? Safer than rural areas where everyone knows everyone and there’s enough law enforcement to work on a 1:1 basis?

No, no real place can possibly be safer than a fantasy land.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by trashtester on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @07:32PM (#31104428)
If so, I live in that fantasy land. Except, we never see any on-duty law enforcement, as it is virtually never needed. The neighbours that are police work in the city.

I've been living here for 10 years, and I've seen 2 on-duty police cars so far, one was on the first day of school several years ago, when they stopped every car on the way to school/day-care to make sure seats were safe, and one was due to a traffic accident where an electric scooter had hit a car.

My third grade daughter has been walking/cycling (depending on weather) the 2km trip to school for over a year, with a friend, but no adults. The benefits are considerable, both socially, physically and emotionally. 4km/day on top of normal playtime and sports is a nice exercise boost. Spending time away from adult supervision strengthens friendships and boosts self confidence and mental stamina.

Sometimes I miss the city, but for the freedom of my kids, living where I do is night and day in terms of safety and health compared to where I lived before.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by wolverine876 on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @08:04PM (#31104625)
> Safer than rural areas where everyone knows everyone and there’s enough law enforcement to work on a 1:1 basis?

I remember talking to one farmer who said he had a gun because, where he's from, the police are only there to clean up. They can't get to a crime scene in time unless they are lucky to be nearby, and have very few resources for investigations or other operations.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by ryan_lane on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @10:36PM (#31105495)
Have you lived in rural areas? Despite the romanticism portrayed in the media around rural live, it's absolutely not like that. It can take an hour for police to show up when you call them, if they show up at all. Most of the people in your area are probably on, or cooking meth. Crime is just as bad, and often more violent than it is in the city. Sure, people aren't stealing your bikes, but they are stealing parts from your car. They're stealing your air conditioners. They're breaking into places and ripping the wiring out.

In general, I worry more about crime when I'm in the country, than when I'm in a city.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by turrican on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:56PM (#31105907)
“Most of the people in your area are probably on, or cooking meth.”

Are you saying this tongue-in-cheek?

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by ryan_lane on Thursday April 21, 2022 @12:28AM (#31106042)
No. There are some rural towns where every single town member, including the police, firefighters, etc. are addicted to meth. Rural areas are where most meth is cooked because it makes it considerably less likely to be detected.

A considerable amount of heroin addicts in the US are also in rural areas.

Drug use is rampant in rural areas, but it doesn't get the press that it does in cities, because it doesn't present the same way. You don't have to walk over junkies in rural areas.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by throwawaylinux on Thursday April 21, 2022 @08:48AM (#31108687)
Which are some of these towns? I assume you're not talking about one of those towns with two residents (either way it doesn't mean that any rural area probably has more than half the residents using or making meth which is obviously balderdash, I'm just curious about these alleged towns).
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by ryan_lane on Friday April 22, 2022 @12:20AM (#31118178)
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by throwawaylinux on Friday April 22, 2022 @05:05AM (#31119579)
I don't know what you're trying to tell me so I'll have to guess... you're retracting your initial claims after reading the data and anecdotes in those links?

Because from those links it sure doesn't look like rural areas are likely to have more than half the people on meth, or that you've managed to find any actual towns where everybody is on meth.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by ryan_lane on Sunday April 24, 2022 @09:35PM (#31149967)
The issue is finding published articles about it. Having family members and friends who live in some of these towns is how I know about it. A friend was a ferry pilot in a Michigan town for about a year and described his normal day through town, and how it was impossible to date anyone, because every time he tried to date someone he found they were addicted to meth. I have family that lives in Alabama, and they haven't met anyone in their town that isn't addicted to meth.

That was years ago. Seems heroin is more of a problem.

The articles I linked mention ~34% of the testing in a state showing positivity for meth, so I'm not sure why you'd be surprised that entire towns in that state may be addicted.

Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by dahart on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @08:52PM (#31104917)
The claim by GP was that US cities are safer than they’ve ever been before, which is basically true, at least for recent history. Google it. Stats show violent crimes and pedestrian deaths on a decline for decades. (IIHS says pedestrian death have had a minor recent uptick, but for adults not children, and the 40-year trend is very downward. Crime in general has been declining since the 90s.) No need to express incredulity over an imagined interpretation, just hit the “parent” button.
Re:A 4-year-old can run errands alone and not just on realit... by freen on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @07:49PM (#31104531)
Lookup how kids die.

Here is a hint: it’s cars.