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Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by TrevorJ on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:17AM (#31098149)
What's interesting about this to me is the way it sort of causes you to examine why certain things are acceptable hobbies and other things aren't. This particular hobby has three notable attributes:

1. It's risky.

2. The end product doesn't seem particularly useful if we set aside the mental/physical benefits. i.e.: it's done for it's own sake.

3. It's novel.

I would argue that 1 and 2 are attributes that a great number of hobbies share. Skiing, Mountain biking, football, kayaking, woodworking, sitting in a chair and playing video games all weekend. All these things carry some very specific and often non trivial risks to health or bodily harm over time.

Of course because these hobbies aren't novel, the benefits of the hobby are well understood. Our understanding of the risks and how to mitigate them are also quite a bit more understood.

It seems to me that the real 'problem' with this tunnel digging hobby is how novel it is. Which consequently leads to a lack of knowledge about what the risks and benefits may be.

Of course it's possible the poor guy is just dealing with a mental illness.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by Someone on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:49AM (#31098693)
It’s rare, but not novel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobby_tunneling lists at least 15 people who had this ‘hobby’.

There’s also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williamson_Tunnels

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by ssteeper on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @03:14PM (#31101589)
> There are dozens of us!
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by OJFord on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @02:58PM (#31101382)
Unfortunately it's a term of art in architecture - until I saw that I was quite enjoying 'type: subterranean folly' on your second link!
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by YLE118 on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @05:16PM (#31103121)
That first page links to the first person I thought of. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lyttle
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by franciscop on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:50AM (#31098719)
I'd strongly add "4. It's isolating." There are no issues with "solo" hobbies, but it's definitely another axis and social hobbies def improve your sociability and relationships.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by AtlasBarfed on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:30PM (#31099412)
If this were pop sci BS, then it would be called:

"restorative" "meditation" "self care" "reflection" "me time"

Or he's really into dwarf fortress.

Or he wants to relive Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Or he wants a secret hangout.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by crispyambulance on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @01:28PM (#31100209)
It's all a matter of context, people can learn to do this, but one would need a reason.

I've actually visited an old Victorian-era house that had "a tunnel" in the basement. It ran from the front of the basement, underground, to somewhere underneath the public street where it terminated in a half-cylinder chamber perpendicular to the tunnel. Everything was lined with bricks, solidly built. I was told it was used to store booze during prohibition but no one is really sure. Found this on youtube (https://youtu.be/nDTyz7ivgNk?t=78), that's the one.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by honkycat on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @01:38PM (#31100344)
I wouldn't describe it as risky. It will inevitably collapse under it's own weight unless properly built.

it's not risky, it is a time-bomb that will bury him alive.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by wtetzner on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @03:32PM (#31101772)
Why do we assume it's improperly built?
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by pcthrowaway on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:20AM (#31098199)
As a rock climbing I can relate to (1) and (2).

I get better photo ops though

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by short_sells_poo on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:30AM (#31098383)
I'm sure rock climbing is also better at carrying a conversation in a bar.

"So what are you up to outside of work?" "I uh... dig a tunnel." "Right."

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by TrevorJ on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:34AM (#31098444)
I dunno, personally I'd have way more questions about tunnel digging.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by thathndude on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:51AM (#31098735)
Agreed. As a fellow rock climber, not a whole lot to talk about. After all, I already know the sport.

But tunnel digging. Now that's a subject where my knowledge is limited. Teach me!

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by SilasX on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:33PM (#31099472)
Yes! It was actually a plot point in Better Call Saul season 4 that an engineer on a covert underground project violated OpSec by talking about it about it a bar, which prompted a ton of interest and follow up questions.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by brewdad on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @02:15PM (#31100868)
It really depends on the overall vibe the guy gives off otherwise.

I might have tons of questions about it, or I might take that as my cue to close out my tab and move on to somewhere else.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by jeltz on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:03PM (#31098942)
Not really, I have friends who are rock climbers so I would have way more questions for the tunnel guy.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by Jeff_Brown on Thursday April 21, 2022 @02:19PM (#31113239)
It's all in your attitude. If you are/act embarrassed about your weird characteristics, your listener will probably assume that's the right way to feel. Something similar happens if you are/act excited.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by TrainedMonkey on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:49AM (#31098690)
"I am an explorer, currently building an underground base."
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by kixiQu on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @01:10PM (#31099981)
I have yet to hear of a mountain biker causing a collapse that destroys a nearby road, which someone raised as absolutely a possibility here. Less that the risks are "novel" and more that they are absolutely known in the mining industry which is why this is illegal.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by TrevorJ on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @02:13PM (#31100838)
To borrow a metaphor, I'd say that now we are just quibbling over price. :) Discussions about relative risk, externalities and the like are all very relevant when it comes to other hobbies as well.

It's just that most of the relevant conversations surrounding these things were had decades ago with other hobbies, and many hobbies probably wouldn't have a prayer of actually passing muster if they were new today - Full contact football being a good example.

This issue of legality that you raise is a good one though, and likely the most relevant, unless this guy is going out into the desert to do this.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by recursive on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @02:25PM (#31100982)
Aside from the obvious personal risks of mountain biking (falling, personal injury) some usually unauthorized mountain bike trails can absolutely do damage to forests and ecosystems, based on bike traffic an erosion. I haven't heard about destroying a road, but there doesn't seem to be a very good reason to pick that as the specific line for acceptability. I don't think destroying roads is generally acceptable, but we also don't know if there's an actual risk of that happening in this case.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by eternityforest on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @05:10PM (#31103054)
Mountain biking is well known for being an unwanted presence. It makes hiking trails into miserable obstacle courses. Made worse by the fact that if it's allowed at all, people will go as fast as they want, it's not like there's radar traps set up.

I'm in favor of majorly reducing all hobbies that have danger or inconvenience to others. If you can't play 110DB music in the streets at night, there's clearly a general precedent and consensus that your hobby is not anything special and has no right to be a public nuisance or environmental disaster.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by rdtwo on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @10:56PM (#31105611)
Can we ban Bluetooth speakers in the wilderness too. I really hate that shit on the trail
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by Jeff_Brown on Thursday April 21, 2022 @02:22PM (#31113285)
+1. How numb do you have to be to want to bring the city with you when you visit nature.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by eternityforest on Thursday April 21, 2022 @04:50AM (#31107243)
Pretty sure animals that live there also hate it. Literally everyone except the one person with the Bluetooth hates that shit.

It's usually terrible sound quality just to make it even worse.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by TrevorJ on Thursday April 21, 2022 @04:54PM (#31115049)
Especially considering that you can get Bluetooth headphones for 20 bucks