Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by wlesieutre on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:21PM
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It's more like a mall complaining that while they're trying to serve 1000 customers, someone has gone and dumped 10000000 roombas throughout the stores which are going around scanning all the price tags.
Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by CWuestefeld on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:21PM
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No. When I say that bots exceed the amount of real traffic, I'm including people "window shopping" on the good side.
My complaint is more like, somebody wants to know the prices of all our products, and that we have roughly X products (where X is a very large number). They get X friends to all go into the store almost simultaneously, each writing down the price of the particular product they've been assigned to research. When they do this, there's scant space left in the store for even the browsing kind of customers to walk in. (of course I exaggerate a bit, but that's the idea)
Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by mrobins on Monday April 18, 2022 @05:22PM
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I’m sympathetic to the complaints about “rude” scraping behavior but there’s an easy solution. Rather than make people consume boatloads of resources they don’t want (individual page views, images, scripts, etc.) just build good interoperability tools that give the people what they want. In the physical example above that would be a product catalog that’s easily replicated with a CSV product listing or an API.
Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by jensensbutton on Monday April 18, 2022 @05:29PM
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You don't know why any random scraper is scraping you and thus you don't know what api to build that will do them from scraping. Also, it's likely easier for them to contribute scraping than write a bunch of code to integrate with your API so it there's no incentive for them to do so either.
Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by withinboredom on Monday April 18, 2022 @06:50PM
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Just advertise the API in the headers. Or better yet, set the buttons/links only to be accessible via .usetheapi-dammit selector. Lastly, provide an API and a “developers.whatever.com” domain to report issues with the API, get API keys, and pay for more requests. It should be pretty easy to setup, especially if there’s an internal API available behind the frontend already. I’d venture a dev team could devote 20% to a few sprints and have an MVP thing up and running.
Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by altdataseller on Monday April 18, 2022 @05:42PM
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For the 2nd part, I have done scraping and would always opt for an API if the price is reasonable over paying nosebleed amounts for residential proxies
Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by mrobins on Monday April 18, 2022 @06:29PM
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I think lots of website owners know exactly where the value in their content exists. Whether or not they want to share that in a convenient way, especially to competitors etc is another story.
That said if scraping is inevitable, it’s immensely wasteful effort to both the scraper and the content owner that’s often avoidable.
Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by mcronce on Monday April 18, 2022 @06:47PM
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Writing a scraper for a webpage is typically far more development effort than writing an API wrapper
Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by johnnyanmac on Monday April 18, 2022 @08:47PM
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Yes, but the scraper in this context is already built. A bird in hand and all that.
Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by mcronce on Thursday April 21, 2022 @10:22AM
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In this case, yes, obviously. But as far as "it's likely easier for them to contribute scraping than write a bunch of code to integrate with your API", that presupposes no existing integration.
Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by CWuestefeld on Monday April 18, 2022 @06:12PM
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Yes, exactly. Nobody is standing up and saying "we're the ones doing this, and here's what we wish you'd put in an API".
Also, I'm a big Jenson Button fan.
Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by kortilla on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:40PM
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No, because those are people going to the mall. Not robots 100x the quantity of real people.
Re:Web scraping is legal, US appeals court reaffirms
by signatoremo on Monday April 18, 2022 @09:41PM
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Unlike the mall a website can scale up to serve more users at relatively low cost. Also those robots may bring more people to the website. Potentially a lot more even.
I understand that bots have leverage and automation, but so does you to reach a larger audience. Should we continue to benefit from one side of the leverage, while complaining about the other side?