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Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by mercy_dude on Monday April 18, 2022 @08:52AM (#31069943)
All these spyware incidents by nation states prove one thing: how fickle the so called rule of law is in much of the western democracy. In fact west has increasingly become de facto kleptocracy with media and nation state security apparatus actively seeking ways to maintain and grow the power for the national elites leaving them unchecked.
Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by sbarre on Monday April 18, 2022 @09:30AM (#31070265)
I mean, this was all happening before too, we just had less visibility into it.

If you think that the governments of 'western democracies' weren't spying on their own citizens or going against their own laws - even in collaboration with private interests - before the advent of the Internet and spyware/malware, I've got bad news for you.

Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by colpabar on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:05AM (#31070762)
Sure, but even now with the greater visibility we have, these claims are never taken seriously en masse. One group would call you a traitor, and another would call you a conspiracy theorist.

I do not have a solution, but I'd just like to point out that if someone on HN makes a comment like the one GP did, they 100% understand that this isn't "new". I also don't think we should just accept this as a part of life because "it was all happening before", because the level of spying the internet has enabled is orders of magnitude worse than it was without it. We should be afraid and upset.

Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by sbarre on Monday April 18, 2022 @02:36PM (#31074683)
I agree with the latter part of what you're saying, but as for the former, you'd be surprised how many people I've met who really do think a lot of this surveillance and "our government does bad things" stuff is a recent development.

And yes, I have been, and remain, upset about it. No worries there.

Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by runnerup on Monday April 18, 2022 @01:38PM (#31073936)
If anything, what’s “new” would be any widespread-among-the-proletariat expectation that governments aren’t just a mixture of personalities assembled into ad hoc and historical factions feuding to control as much money and power as possible.

I would like to learn more about common views on this. Would my belief above actually be true going back as long as monarchies have existed, until maybe post WW2?

I’d see it as a magical period between WW2 and today where the belief was in fairness and universal rule of law.

Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by sbarre on Monday April 18, 2022 @02:38PM (#31074719)
> I’d see it as a magical period between WW2 and today where the belief was in fairness and universal rule of law.

Even this, I would say, was manufactured, and not as widespread of a belief as the "winners write history" camp would have us believe.

It certainly wasn't true, or even thought true, in America (and other western countries too) if you weren't white and Christian.

Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by pvaldes on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:46PM (#31076299)
Everybody is pointing to the government because yeah, Spain bad. I have a different candidate for you. Why not Interpol?

A lad involved in crypto trade and online voting travels to Switzerland, from a place notorious by recent suspicious money movements linked with Switzerland banks. I bet that this particular combination of keywords would raise some eyebrows and trigger a discreet interest by any police working in anticorruption or money laundering.

Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by chopin on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:39AM (#31081826)
You're correct, but: with modern tech there are vastly more intrusion vectors which are cheap and hard to detect.
Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by sbarre on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @07:56AM (#31081956)
Very true.
Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by sonicggg on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:59AM (#31071555)
This is on full display in Canada today.
Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by twoneurons on Monday April 18, 2022 @09:16AM (#31070124)
Too many bureaucrats and public servants are more occupied with growing their own power and protecting their space, than serving the public interest.
Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by EricE on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:12AM (#31071780)
Welcome to human nature. One of the reasons anyone who thinks socialism is a realistic strategy just is't with reality.
Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by antattack on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:16AM (#31071832)
Is there something better? Seems like pendulum swings the opposite way once it reaches western democracy.
Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by colpabar on Monday April 18, 2022 @09:21AM (#31070178)
Well hey, at least we're not china or russia. Now pay your taxes and stop questioning things!
Re:CatalanGate: Spyware operation against Catalans using Peg... by usrn on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:17AM (#31071857)
The intelligence agencies are holding the country hostage.