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Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by ch4s3 on Monday April 18, 2022 @07:36AM (#31069425)
I don’t recall anyone being sent to work camps for criticizing government policy in the US recently.
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by peace4all on Monday April 18, 2022 @08:34AM (#31069813)
They weren't necessary sent to work camps. Some were just fired and couldn't get hired. Later, in 1950's & 60's, you would be effectively banned from career. Sometimes librarians would paint black their name if they were in references section. Since 1960's victims of these political battles could go to other institutions, probably at less important position.

This practice continued all the way till the collapse of the USSR, I heard of such stories in Moscow universities, and in the Academy of Science.

Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by mullen on Monday April 18, 2022 @12:25PM (#31072852)
I would not compare anything that happened in the West to what happened in the USSR. I don't recall anyone in the West being sent to a work camp or shot because someone accused them of something they were not.
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by peace4all on Monday April 18, 2022 @01:08PM (#31073519)
Did I talk about forced labor in this comment above? I said: in later times, such clashes with bureacracy made people lose their entire career.
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by adventured on Monday April 18, 2022 @01:04PM (#31073458)
Along with what would happen to your family. In the USSR it was often not just yourself, they'd also target your family and its well-being just the same in the name of collective guilt.
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by mistrial9 on Monday April 18, 2022 @09:50AM (#31070528)
most people reading this have never missed a meal in their lives; a good number of people reading this have never been in a grown-up out-of-money situation where you face deadlines and have no source of money; probably a few people reading this have had to work doing low-skill work, but personal computers have changed access stories. The new version of "labor camp" is a phone that costs you little to nothing but is restricted, tracked and required, and work that is low-skill or away from a center of decision making somehow. Parts of this are happening in the USA out of sight, and elsewhere, and it may be increasing under new economics regarding income and housing. Smug dismissal among those that have never really had parts of it yet, can be expected IMHO
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by ch4s3 on Monday April 18, 2022 @03:38PM (#31075400)
They literally shot politicals in GULAG for stepping out of a line. Nothing in the US even compared.
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by d0mine on Monday April 18, 2022 @07:43AM (#31069467)
McCarthyism? (it is not 30s like in the article but it is 40s-50s)
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by moron4hire on Monday April 18, 2022 @08:18AM (#31069698)
Weird definition of "recently".
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by mdp2021 on Monday April 18, 2022 @10:38AM (#31071241)
"Recently" ends upon uprootal.
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by moron4hire on Monday April 18, 2022 @03:26PM (#31075258)
I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by mdp2021 on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:25PM (#31076004)
No prob, I'll be clearer. Phenomena may be indicated which, in form of episodes, very defined events, may be part of a "past", but the direction, inclination, patterns behind those events may still be lurking much later. (For instance, an expression of fascism ended in the forties, yet fascism may linger, emerge etc.) So, thin latency and occasionalities aside - minor traits and occurrences that just confirm exceptionality -, for the phenomenon to be over it must be uprooted. Unexpressed but latent is "not over": it remains of concern, it may express differently, it may re-explode.
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by pc86 on Monday April 18, 2022 @12:30PM (#31072926)
70-80 years is not any reasonable definition of "recently," particularly when discussing politics.
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by at_a_remove on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:42AM (#31072204)
You're the first person in the thread to bring up work camps. How easily one can defeat a specter of one's own construction.
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by ch4s3 on Monday April 18, 2022 @07:43PM (#31078156)
That’s 100% what happened to political offenders in the USSR even after GULAG officially closed. Theses scientists may have gotten article 58, but I didn’t dig that deeply. There is no US parallel.
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by newsclues on Monday April 18, 2022 @08:24AM (#31069743)
Work camps are just the extreme of the policies that we have yet to implement. We seem to be lubing the slippery slope towards it though, with political correctness and cancel culture.
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by MisterTea on Monday April 18, 2022 @09:14AM (#31070112)
> Work camps are just the extreme of the policies that we have yet to implement.

Yet to? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_Stat...

> We seem to be lubing the slippery slope towards it though, with political correctness and cancel culture.

No we are not.

Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by JaimeThompson on Monday April 18, 2022 @11:26AM (#31071968)
When do you think cancel culture started?
Re:The 1936-1937 Purge of Soviet Astronomers (1991) by newsclues on Monday April 18, 2022 @02:14PM (#31074387)
Probably it started thousands of years ago, but recently it has certainly changed and become a new and terrible thing with social media.