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Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by charcircuit on Sunday April 17, 2022 @10:51PM (#31066799)
Open source would still exist without Stallman and the FSF. There is a practical benefit to open source software and calling people / companies evil / unethical for not open sourcing everything is not as helpful as the FSF may think.
Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by rnd0 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @11:02PM (#31066869)
Open Source in the OSI sense of the term was created as a reaction to the Free Software movement so I'm guessing probably not.

It's more likely that we'd have the situation we had with UNIX; incompatible forks tied to incrutable hardware drivers that no one can fix with a zillion different combinations so that when you sat down at a terminal you had no idea what to do -thanks to people being able to take the BSD/MIT software and create their own contrarian forks.

GNU wasn't innovative because it was free, or even because it's source was free. It was innovative because it forced people to play nice.

The UNIX Wars demonstrated how well people play with others when left to their own desires (not at all).

Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by jrm4 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @10:56PM (#31066829)
Considering Stallman's Free Software predates "Open Source" I'm not sure it actually would, or if it did, it would likely be less free.

And again, helpful to whom? Yes. Stallman's no diplomat or ambassador, but that's not the job he's trying to do.

Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by analog31 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @11:36PM (#31067098)
Free software also predates "free software." People circulated programs within the science and hobbyists communities, as early as those communities existed. And before there was software, the ham radio community thrived on shared and published designs.

With that said, I appreciate what Stallman has done, if nothing else, to shine light on what freedoms we're giving up, and on the contrasts between the different free and non-free models that are in use today.

Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by orionblastar on Sunday April 17, 2022 @11:18PM (#31066979)
Free software is not no cost, it is free as in freedom. Didn't the FSF sell SunOS and Solaris free software when they first started out? It could be sold for the cost of maintenance or supporting the free software, which the user doesn't always get.

With Microsoft and Apple the software is commercial and not free, but they do a good job of handholding the customer and working through bugs and technical issues over the phone.

Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by charcircuit on Monday April 18, 2022 @12:04AM (#31067301)
It's not like permissive licenses are a crazy hard concept to figure out. It's not like Fermat's last theorem where there is a large challenge in discovering a proof. Sure it may not be labelled as "Open Source", but there would be something similar. Also I believe there is a good chance that software would be more free due to copyleft licenses potentially not gaining momentum.
Re:Richard Stallman – The state of the Free Software movement by jrm4 on Monday April 18, 2022 @04:44PM (#31076257)
They're not hard, and I think Stallman et al figured them out way long ago, and they are why they created free software. Roughly, "permissive" ends up meaning "bad faith actors are permitted to take advantage of others' spirit of sharing."