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Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by aaomidi on Sunday April 17, 2022 @03:39PM (#31063705)
I mean, it's a bit of an odd choice because it's pretty easy to detect if a user has "opened fast.com in the past few minutes"
Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by stepanhruda on Sunday April 17, 2022 @03:45PM (#31063770)
That's why we need DNS over HTTPS and Encrypted Client Hello to become widely used. Then there would be no way of knowing, as long as Netflix uses the same infrastructure to serve fast.com and netflix.com
Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by denton-scratch on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:04PM (#31063928)
"Need" is too strong. Without going into the arguments against DoH, we don't "need" it, because there is an alternative: run your own recursive DNS. That should be something that a consumer could switch on or off. A default install of Unbound, for example, seems to /just work/.

Downside: if you have any kind of home network, running your own recursive DNS probably implies running your own DHCP, which isn't normally a consumer alternative (you could do it using settings on a domestic router, but not if it's crippled or locked-down). Also, DNS caching shouldn't be so effective (but I haven't noticed that effect).

Upside: all kinds of problems resulting from relying on DNS servers controlled by others disappear. You're not relying on them any more.

Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by DanAtC on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:23PM (#31064106)
Recursive DNS is still unencrypted and would be visible to your ISP
Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by denton-scratch on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:42PM (#31064291)
Yes, they can observe my queries to authoritative servers. But I didn't claim that running your own recursive DNS guaranteed privacy; I only claimed that it dispelled all problems arising from relying on someone else's DNS recursors.

I happen to trust my ISP, BTW; I really just like running my own because I can observe what it's doing.

Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by stepanhruda on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:47PM (#31064341)
So your “alternative” is strictly worse / solving a different problem.
Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday April 17, 2022 @09:58PM (#31066496)
> I happen to trust my ISP, BTW

Unless you can prove otherwise you should assume they're selling you out.

Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by denton-scratch on Monday April 18, 2022 @03:06AM (#31068153)
I can't "prove" it. But my ISP is a nerd ISP; it's Andrews & Arnold, a rather unusual outfit. If they were caught selling us out, they'd lose all their customers in a flash.
Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by stepanhruda on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:46PM (#31064336)
What if I want privacy on a non-home network? Huge part of my traffic is over 5G/LTE.
Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by cpv on Sunday April 17, 2022 @05:29PM (#31064667)
There are some apps (like Intra) which allow you to connect to a built-in (cloudflare, google) or custom DoH server (your own or other providers which support DoH).

Nextdns have their own app for this as well.

For android 9 or higher there should be an option in network settings.

Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by stepanhruda on Sunday April 17, 2022 @06:39PM (#31065203)
Right, I specifically use DoH with Cloudflare on my phone. I'm talking about the "we don't need this" reply above, which is a suggestion for tinkerers, not a good recommendation for general population.
Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by dspillett on Sunday April 17, 2022 @05:20PM (#31064619)
VPN if that isn't blocked or throttled by your carrier?

Though you need a trusted host to act as the other end, or you are just swapping one monitored link with another, and finding that could be a task in its own right depending on your threat model / paranoia level.

Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by tomatotomato37 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:33PM (#31064214)
That wouldn't really help; the network activity signature of a speed test is noticably different from browsing or video streaming, and even if it wasn't, the connection for streaming lasts a lot longer than the test. You could defeat it with a timer.
Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by stepanhruda on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:44PM (#31064314)
Netflix can literally implement fast.com to do the exact same operation as when streaming and then measure performance of the stream.

Yes you could do a timer, but that would mean e.g. first 30s of all Netflix streams to be much faster and then slow down just in case they were in fact speed tests. Also would be difficult to differentiate between running a speed test vs a stream that gets its connection closed and reconnects.

All of this is an order of magnitude for ISPs to deal with than unthrottling traffic for specific domains. It doesn’t have to be perfect, but making it prohibitively more expensive helps a lot.

Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by gsich on Monday April 18, 2022 @02:38AM (#31068046)
Very different IPs for me.
Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by gruez on Sunday April 17, 2022 @03:52PM (#31063831)
1. Add a <img src="https://fast.com/pixel.png"/ >on netflix.com

2. ???

3. profit

Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by dmurray on Sunday April 17, 2022 @04:16PM (#31064056)
If you're a web developer, you owe it to your users to add this to your site even if you have no connection with Netflix or Fast.com. Randomize the image name every time to avoid caching - it doesn't matter if the image isn't found.
Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by unnouinceput on Monday April 18, 2022 @01:49AM (#31067826)
Do you want tracking? Because that's how you get tracking
Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by thomasahle on Sunday April 17, 2022 @07:25PM (#31065532)
They would still only prioritize network from Netflix' servers, so it wouldn't help you, unless Netflix starts a hosting service...
Re:Ask HN: Internet magically gets faster when opening speed... by thefreeman on Sunday April 17, 2022 @05:02PM (#31064483)
I mean, it's just as trivial for netflix to make periodic requests to fast.com fron their streaming apps if ISPs were using that as a metric to throttle their traffic.