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Re:Tax the Land by andrepd on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:28AM (#31039993)
You need to read books on LVT and Georgism, it's been around for going on 150 years with praise from such diverse figures as Einstein or Tolstoy. Hardly invented by Vox, but judging from your tone you have pre-existing qualms about this particular news outlet.
Re:Tax the Land by Hammershaft on Friday April 15, 2022 @08:16PM (#31047618)
Also Milton Friedman! Important qualification to recognize this is not just a leftist policy.
Re:Tax the Land by noahtallen on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:41PM (#31048316)
It really does seem like an extremely capitalist concept! The idea is to force the market to compete much more thoroughly. Not sure why folks are saying it’s a “leftist redistribution ploy,” when the main benefit is to force owners to make a profit on their land or sell.
Re:Tax the Land by lcpriest on Saturday April 16, 2022 @08:00AM (#31051625)
Exactly. All it's saying is that you can do whatever you want with your land, as long as you can afford to.

It forces landowners to account for the opportunity costs they impose on society by not utilizing the land optimally, even if (and especially if) those costs change over time.

Re:Tax the Land by tdehnel on Friday April 15, 2022 @11:40PM (#31049226)
What if they don’t want to do that with their land?
Re:Tax the Land by apendleton on Saturday April 16, 2022 @03:34AM (#31050424)
... sucks to be them? No tax scheme is truly neutral, and any tax scheme is going to favor certain behaviors and disfavor others. If the behavior you wanted to undertake isn't the one a given tax system incentivizes, that's probably unpleasant, but somebody had to get the short straw, and as a society we may as well pick a short-straw-holder in such a way that broadly pro-social outcomes are maximized, like increasing the likelihood that more people have places to live.
Re:Tax the Land by tdehnel on Saturday April 16, 2022 @10:53PM (#31058055)
Why not just raise existing taxes across the board to pay for this? Seems a lot more fair since pro-social benefits are distributed among the whole society.
Re:Tax the Land by cuteboy19 on Sunday April 17, 2022 @01:39AM (#31058777)
The tax on income disincentivizes meaningful productive work. If you have to pay out $50 for every $100 you make, you would probably just not bother putting in the effort.

As grandparent said, every tax causes this kind of incentive. So people thought long about what was the least worst of all the options and came up with LVT and similar ideas. They cause the minimum harm to the economy and have the least side effects and "unintended consequences"

Re:Tax the Land by boredumb on Friday April 15, 2022 @09:58AM (#31040308)
I absolutely do have qualms with the entire organization and find ezra klein to be a snake. The idea that a self proclaimed anarchist who spoke against the state as being an exploitative entity, promoting increased state taxes on land, is amusing until you realize the context of him living in the period of Russian aristocracy.
Re:Tax the Land by andrepd on Friday April 15, 2022 @10:34AM (#31040731)
Anarchist thought has a long tradition of seeing certain things as "commons" which are illegitimately appropriated by private concerns. This includes things as land, air, natural resources, cultural heritage, etc.

But more importantly, the part where you speak of "state taxes" makes me think you have no idea what you're talking about, since the original idea of Henry George was to distribute the LVT in the form of a citizen's dividend, equally among every person regardless of any criteria. A prescient form of UBI if you will.

Re:Tax the Land by boredumb on Friday April 15, 2022 @11:00AM (#31041001)
If the state is coercing you to pay taxes for the land you live on, it is a state tax. We can all collectively start referring to chickens as horses, we can even refer to aviaries as a prescient form of stables, but it is not going to change the nature of the bird. The naive idea that exchanging all the taxes for a single land tax will result in anything but all of the current taxes with an additional state tax on land is ahistoric to put it kindly.

As of the time of writing we do pay taxes on land as well as taxes on labor, taxes on commerce, taxes on investments, taxes on inheritance, taxes on imports, taxes on value added to goods, sin taxes, tax stamps for government services, taxes on energy, taxes on roadways, taxes on gifts, taxes to enter or leave airports, and even taxes to live in certain cities. In the US these did not exist until after the civil war and since then they've become the rule and not the exception, to repeal all of them and replace them with a LVT is great, but to expect the modern state to not feature creep every single one of the current taxes back in place within a few decades gives me a huge pause.