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Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by pmoriarty on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @05:21PM (#31020442)
a CEO of a $100M+ company came in and gave a speech. His first slide had a PowerPoint, on which he put something like, "3...2...1." Then he said, "3 wives, 2 divorces, and 1 heart attack. That's the real cost of entrepreneurship."

Plenty of people who were never entrepreneurs suffer the same or worse.. and do so while earning a tiny pittance of what CEOs make.

Lack of money causes all sorts of additional stress on families as well... including health issues from not being able to afford health care, or only getting poor quality healthcare, or not being able to afford preventative care, eating poorly, living in dangerous/polluted areas, not being able to afford to send your kids to college, not being able to afford vacations, etc..

Not to mention the stress of being treated like shit or replaceable cogs by the people above you in work environments that are unhealthy or unsafe.

CEOs have it easy.

Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by bgroat on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @08:27PM (#31022006)
One of my favourite books is called, "The Man Who Loved Books Too Much" (2010) which is the true story of a high-end book thief.

There's a scene in the book where the author is interviewing the thief in prison during one of his (several) custodial sentences, and the conversation goes something like this:

Author: You're intelligent, erudite, charming. Why don't you become a lawyer or something?

Thief: It takes about 10 years to become a lawyer, with undergrad, law school, articleing, etc. I don't want to do any of that. But say I did, a partner at a top firm makes what, $600k? That's around what I'm alleged to have made this year

Author: But what about the strain on your family?

Thief: Because lawyers don't get divorced?

It continues like this for awhile as the thief very persuasively argues the risk adjusted returns of high-end larceny

Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by fatjokes on Friday April 15, 2022 @08:51AM (#31039610)
Partners at top firms make 600k? Man FAANGs pay well
Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by bgroat on Friday April 15, 2022 @03:20PM (#31044563)
The book was published in 2010, and featured interviews from before then.

So let's say a partner at a top 100 firm in 2008, latest?

Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by joyeuse6701 on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @05:39PM (#31020633)
Yeah but the (insert suffering in group) had it tougher than (out group). We can always compare and find someone or something that has it worse. What’s the point in bringing it up, that we can’t feel sorry for someone who has suffered because someone else has perhaps suffered more in our estimation?

No one has nor should have a monopoly on sympathy.

Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by solveit on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @07:07PM (#31021433)
Presumably said CEO wasn't in much danger of poverty though. The entrepreneurship caused his troubles. That other things also could is beside the point.
Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by pmoriarty on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @07:32PM (#31021616)
"The entrepreneurship caused his troubles."

Did it, though? That sort of misfortune can and does happen even without entrepreneurship, and might well have happened to him anyway.

Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by shard on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @07:58PM (#31021817)
Well, we can quote statistics and cite studies, but the point is that the entrepreneur himself attributed his failed marriages and heart attack to the entrepreneurship.
Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by pmoriarty on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @08:10PM (#31021907)
"the entrepreneur himself attributed his failed marriages and heart attack to the entrepreneurship"

Of course he did, as it made his enormous wealth seem like the result of great sacrifices.

You see this all the time.

Why do the rich deserve all their money? Because they made such great sacrifices and took all those tremendous risks. It's self-aggrandizement and self-justification.

Low wage workers make sacrifices and take risks just as great (or greater) all the time, but no one is going to pay hundreds of dollars a plate to hear them give a keynote speech humblebragging about how they worked so hard they had 3 heart attacks during their minimum wage jobs (from which they probably got fired for having to miss work), or how their marriages broke up... which happens all the time.

Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by jimkleiber on Thursday April 14, 2022 @12:47AM (#31023511)
FWIW, I remember him sounding quite dejected and sincerely questioning whether it was all worth it. It didn't seem like a "I failed big time and now I'm living on top of the world" kind of opening. I still feel sad when I think about it.

That's not to disagree with you, we often overlook the struggles and challenges of people in lower economic classes or less prestigious positions. More just to say I didn't get that humble brag vibe at all.

Oh, and I also don't know if he got paid, as I think he was an alumnus and it may have just been a volunteer speech. Again, I know there are other speeches in which people do get paid and follow the pattern you outlined, just saying I don't think this was one of them.

Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by mensetmanusman on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @09:43PM (#31022509)
Many would argue that material poverty is less important than poverty of the soul. This is why poor countries are often much happier than rich countries.
Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by quantum_magpie on Thursday April 14, 2022 @02:18AM (#31023911)
That is just wrong. The list of happiest countries in the world is dominated by the rich countries.
Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by imtringued on Thursday April 14, 2022 @06:44AM (#31025162)
Solitary confinement is one of the worst punishments you give to a human. As you get richer your status will isolate you from other people because you don't share their particular kind of suffering.

One of the biggest problems is the fact that anything you can do can be done better by paying someone else to do nothing but the thing you want to do yourself.

Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by cowvin on Thursday April 14, 2022 @06:50PM (#31034411)
It's hard to sympathize with people feeling isolated because they're rich. They could at any time remedy their situation and return to the world of normal people. They choose to be in that situation.
Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by jimkleiber on Thursday April 14, 2022 @08:48PM (#31035425)
I imagine someone who was once rich and gives it all away to return to the "world of normal people" might still feel isolated.
Re:A dirty dish by the sink can be a big marriage problem by dosethree on Saturday April 16, 2022 @04:46AM (#31050778)
Isn’t being a good parent not making your family choose between being poor and having a workaholic parent?