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Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by ortusdux on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @02:56PM (#31018694)
Because a video conferencing app with a bad UX is going to be quickly supplanted with one with a better UX

For the vast majority of users, price beats UX. If a company can keep their app free by selling user data, they will out-compete paid alternatives, regardless of the UX.

Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by julienb_sea on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @03:11PM (#31018905)
This is not how enterprise software works. Audited data privacy is a core selling point of enterprise communication systems like Slack and Zoom, which are able to charge a lot of money for enterprise licenses and have very viable business models. You're right that this may not work in the consumer space, but that battle is already lost -- there are myriad free communication options available to consumers such as messenger calls, facetime, etc.
Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by joshuaissac on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @03:38PM (#31019235)
> Audited data privacy is a core selling point of enterprise communication systems like Slack and Zoom

Is Zoom audited? Zoom had been lying for about having end-to-end encryption, for example, until they were caught by the US Federal Trade Commission. Surely, something like that would have been discovered earlier in an audit, if they were audited and the audits were worth something.

They were also sending data to third parties like Facebook and Google through their SDKs.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/11/zoom-lied-to-use...

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/08/zoom-to-pay-85m-...

Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by brodock on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @03:50PM (#31019389)
They also kept microfone on after closing calls, and reverted after getting caught https://thinksproutinfotech.com/news/zoom-update-fixes-macos...
Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by autoexec on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @04:12PM (#31019679)
Seriously, who in their right mind is using Zoom at this point? They've been "accidentally" collecting people's data, disclosing people's data to others, and have been caught lying so many times there's nearly zero chance that it's just total incompetence and even if it were, why use something made by people who are that bad at their job?

There are so many alternatives, how is it Zoom has any business at all?

Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by throwawayboise on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @04:22PM (#31019772)
> how is it Zoom has any business at all?

Zoom was the first videoconferencing software I experienced where the first 15 minutes of the meeting was not spent with "can you see me," "can you hear me," some people falling back to dialing in to a speakerphone, and one or more out-of-band calls to various participants to troubleshoot problems.

Zoom was click a link. And it worked. Nobody cared much about anything else beyond that.

Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by mitchdoogle on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @04:51PM (#31020082)
Perhaps I am misremembering but I remember using Skype 9-10 years ago without any issues. Zoom does not seem to be that much of an improvement in terms of ease of use
Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by rootusrootus on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @05:09PM (#31020316)
But is Skype that way now? Zoom was in good position when the pandemic made everyone pick a video conferencing app. Some of the competition (Webex comes to mind) got slapped so hard they basically copied the Zoom interface in order to stay somewhat competitive.
Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by lolinder on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @06:35PM (#31021157)
This morning my boss tried to host a meeting on his favorite Zoom substitute. The first 20 minutes were spent trying to fix a ten second delay in his audio. Finally we just switched to a Zoom call, and it worked flawlessly.

There are only two videoconferencing platforms I've never had any problems with: Zoom and Google Meet. I don't trust either company, but sometimes you just have to get your work done.

Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by LegitShady on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @04:12PM (#31019675)
this was definitely a thing in windows too although no idea if changed now - I remember zoom running in the tray would cause the microphone to activate even outside of calls. I was weirded out by it enough to stop running zoom on startup and eventually replace zoom with other applications that didn't exhibit that behaviour.
Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by SkyPuncher on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @11:50PM (#31023226)
Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by kwhitefoot on Thursday April 14, 2022 @05:31AM (#31024805)
Where does it say that the code was audited? And where does it say who did it?
Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by johannes1234321 on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @05:33PM (#31020580)
Considering the trouble I have with WebEx again and again UX indeed comes late.

I often call it "golf-course-ware" the sales person goes golfing with the executive, they discuss features and prices and discounts ober the match and the executive typically doesn't have to use the software but only their employees or the assistant.

Interestingly Zoom for me was a game changer in usability and it spread during pandemic, when executives where at home partially without their physical conference room with video conf setup and without assistant.

Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by andylynch on Thursday April 14, 2022 @05:04AM (#31024693)
Zoom’s better than it used to be, still some big orgs and their IT security treat it (with some justification and I think informed paranoia) as something to be tolerated due to client demand and avoided for anything sensitive.
Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by p1necone on Thursday April 14, 2022 @11:06PM (#31036267)
I don't know about this, Zoom has been taking over the enterprise world and they have /awful/ security.
Re:You’re muted – or are you? Videoconferencing apps may lis... by chefandy on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @03:09PM (#31018868)
Mostly agree. Price has a higher weight than UX but a bad enough UX will succumb to reasonably priced competitors.

Anecdotally, privacy/security seem to be on the bottom of the stack. Platform support and necessity for work are above them all.