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Re:Finland and Sweden set to join NATO as soon as summer by ceejayoz on Monday April 11, 2022 @02:44PM (#30992912)
Irrelevant. That was a voluntary intervention, not an invocation of the Treaty's mutual defense aspects. Individual NATO members were not required to participate; three (Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland) did not.

A similar scenario with Taiwan would not mean "Finland and Sweden would have to send their troops to fight and die there too" as you asserted; they'd have the option to join in if they saw fit.

Re:Finland and Sweden set to join NATO as soon as summer by ghostwriter on Monday April 11, 2022 @03:16PM (#30993381)
> Irrelevant. That was a voluntary intervention, not an invocation of the Treaty's mutual defense aspects. Individual NATO members were not required to participate; three (Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland) did not.

I'm not saying it would be a verbal and written requirement to participate, and yet, they might have to for other political reasons, like a supply of additional defensive equipment or maintenance programs. For instance, some countries did participate in wars on the side of NATO even though they are not even a part of the alliance. All at the expense of human lives and taxpayers' money [1][2].

Before you say that the US interventions are not NATO interventions, could you name at least one instance from this list [3] where the US was not an active participant of and was actually disapproving of other members' actions? I'm asking because there's a valid growing sentiment with an element of truth in it that NATO without the US is not a potent alliance.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Mechanized_Brigade_(Ukrain...

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_Mechanized_Brigade_(Ukrain...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_operations

Re:Finland and Sweden set to join NATO as soon as summer by ceejayoz on Monday April 11, 2022 @03:22PM (#30993455)
> For instance, some countries did participate in wars on the side of NATO even though they are not even a part of the alliance.

Well, now you're arguing something entirely different - that NATO will rope you in without being a member. Hard to say it's a downside of joining if it happens anyways.

Re:Finland and Sweden set to join NATO as soon as summer by ghostwriter on Monday April 11, 2022 @03:25PM (#30993491)
yes, I'm asking because there's a valid growing sentiment with an element of truth in it that NATO without the US military influence is not a potent alliance.
Re:Finland and Sweden set to join NATO as soon as summer by ceejayoz on Monday April 11, 2022 @03:35PM (#30993644)
No, you said this:

> if NATO gets into a conflict with China over Taiwan, there's a highly chance that Finland and Sweden would have to send their troops to fight and die there too

Nothing in NATO's organization or the Treaty itself supports that assertion; in fact, it explicitly says otherwise.

Re:Finland and Sweden set to join NATO as soon as summer by klawcode on Monday April 11, 2022 @03:15PM (#30993362)
NATO also only covers the North Atlantic Area - this is explicit.

https://www.westernjournal.com/nato-loophole-attack-hawaii/