Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses
by mschuster91 on Saturday April 09, 2022 @05:22PM
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> minimum road width is often tied to service vehicles (specifically fire and garbage trucks); these could be overcome with some thought.
We have fire and garbage trucks in Europe too and we manage to build small scale streets in the suburbs and rural areas without compromising on emergency services. The key difference is we plan these streets for the expected amount of traffic which will be a couple cars per hour at the top and have regular intersections with other streets where, should there be the rare case that a vehicle comes up towards you, there is enough place to act as a bypass. Americans seem to plan all streets as if they would be used at capacity 24/7.
Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses
by bombcar on Saturday April 09, 2022 @06:15PM
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The main thing seems to be requirements to turn around - a normal street here is wide enough to park five fire trucks side by side. It’s way too wide for what we need.
To be fair the streets date from before the invention of the car, so maybe it’s something else.
Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses
by mrkstu on Saturday April 09, 2022 @07:19PM
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I believe Utah’s street widths were designed to be wide enough to turn a wagon drawn by horses around.
Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses
by boogies on Saturday April 09, 2022 @11:47PM
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At least Salt Lake City’s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City#cite_ref-66
The "tourist" vs "working" views of a city to the side, I think the big solution isn't revamping existing cities at first, it'll be creating pockets of new development with different goals.
And there's lots of weird things that affect American suburbs - minimum road width is often tied to service vehicles (specifically fire and garbage trucks); these could be overcome with some thought.
I've often wondered if a "carmpromise" city could be built - let's assume a ten minute walk is half a mile. Imagine a strip of city a mile wide where cars are effectively banned. Parking garages at the edges provide car access for those who have them, and the rest is entirely built around walking/biking. Perhaps a tram line runs through the middle. Then those who want cars (basically everyone) can move in without fear, and if some? most? eventually realize they're not using them they can save money by eliminating them.