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Re:I need to stop being boring by levesque on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @08:15AM (#30931169)
Tell that to my very burnt out parent friends! YMMV
Re:I need to stop being boring by 100011_100001 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @09:34AM (#30931757)
I have four children. I'm not going to claim that sometimes kids are not frustrating. However every time I see parents being burnt out I see one of two scenarios.

Scenario 1: The over-achiever parent

I see this frequently, a parent that wants to be a super parent. This manifests in a bunch of different ways, but usually it's enrolling their kids to 15 different activities essentially running all over the place being glorified taxis for their kids.

Then their kids don't know how to function if there is nothing to do.

Scenario 2: The I'm missing our parent

Parents that either had kids too early, or not by choice. They feel like they missed out, so they lament about all the fun they didn't have. This is a weird form of resistance to reality. What usually happens is that they will get a divorce, to somehow escape their children. I am 40, so I see it with people my age, they divorce, see their kids 2-4 times a week and do crazy stuff to somehow recapture their youth.

In my opinion it's about keeping a good balance. If you never make time for yourself that's a mistake. If you put the bar too high as a parent you are bound to miss. The simplest approach is to carve out some time to yourself, balancing things out with your significant other. Enrolling your kids in 1-2 activities out of school and recognizing that not every single minute of a day needs to be hyper-optimized.

Re:I need to stop being boring by gfxgirl on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:23PM (#30934077)
It can help to have family close. Growing up my parents often gave us to our grandparents for the weekend (one a month?). Both grandparents lived within 1hr. So, my parent were able to take some weekends for themselves. Also babysitters for a night out and they both had siblings with kids they could leave us with.

I know plenty of people who don't have this kind of support group and/or are unwilling to use sitters in any form.

Re:I need to stop being boring by lfowles on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:42PM (#30934422)
Definitely. I'm incredibly burnt out after being a stay at home dad for the past year, with the pandemic cautions a lot of support structures disappeared or became unreliable (older family watching the baby, finding a reliable babysitter or daycare, etc). I essentially forgot about everything extraneous in my life so I wouldn't be frustrated that I didn't have time or energy to do it anymore. Without a doubt, I'm more boring than I used to be.

Part of this is just having a kid under 5 apparently, but I can't imagine being able to survive with more than one, much less retain a creative pursuit.

Re:I need to stop being boring by 100011_100001 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @04:46PM (#30937259)
The pandemic was brutal for parents. All four of my kids where doing remote learning. My significant other stays at home so she took care of that end of things. If I was a single parent it would have been impossible to maintain without outside assistance.

...and since I have a bunch of kids. It gets easier. People talk about terrible 2s, but I feel that 3 and 4 are much harder. They are old enough to know what they want, but not old enough to get it. They can communicate but not 100% or with appropriate level of specificity. They also have the amazing ability to know how to push buttons, part of carving an identity for themselves.

Each year though it gets easier. It's true for all four of mine, and they do have different speeds, they mature at different rates, but overall the trend is always less dependency, which as a single parent you need.

I totally feel your pain though. So I hope you are doing OK.

As an extra tip, totally unsolicited of course. Start doing chores, boring tasks with your kid. Even if they are little. It does a few good things.

1. You have to do the chores anyway, might as well do them when you can't relax (since the kid is going to ask/need things). This way when they go to sleep, you don't have a bunch of things to do, you can fully relax.

2. You are teaching them life skills. They learn by watching and doing. This will also allow you to bond over simple life stuff

3. As they get older, they can have their own chores and lighten your load and if nothing else appreciate what you do for them a tiny bit more

You said your kid is under 5, so I'll give you some examples.

Age 2: pickup toys (I pretend that the toy bin/bucket is a monster that's hungry for toys). Press buttons (for example to start the dishwasher). Throw things in the garbage (hungry garbage can)

Age 3: they can start wiping things, taking their place to the kitchen counter, take items from one room to another. Dusting

Age 4: can start help you cook safely, things like dumping a teaspoon of salt in the food, stirring (obviously no boiling stuff), mopping (rather badly, but they have a blast), sweeping (make sure you duck :), putting dirty laundry away, folding kitchen towels

Age 5: I let them start cutting simple things like bananas, start making breakfast (cereal, toast then scrambled eggs). Pickup their room with some pointers. Assist in cleaning the bathroom and kitchen counters.

Hope it helped.

Re:I need to stop being boring by PragmaticPulp on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @08:25AM (#30931246)
I said it was interesting, not-boring, and introducing me to more new people than I’ve met since college.

I didn’t say it was always easy, but that’s fine by me because it’s not actually soul-crushingly difficult (again, another misconception popular among young people without kids that turned out to be wrong).

The older I get, the more I realize that my friends who optimize for minimal effort (no kids, reluctant to leave the house, picky about what they attend) are gradually sliding into very boring and unfulfilled existences.

Re:I need to stop being boring by Elte on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @09:10AM (#30931564)
I may be like one of your boring unfulfilled friends, except I have a single hobby that makes me feel a sense of purpose, whereas very few other things in my life ever really have. On a rational level, it seems to me that having kids will add a sense of purpose to my life, given how many people share this perspective. At the same time, thinking about the time and effort I will be forced to take away from the thing that keeps me sane fills me with dread. It's not like there's a way back.
Re:I need to stop being boring by PragmaticPulp on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @10:46AM (#30932574)
> At the same time, thinking about the time and effort I will be forced to take away from the thing that keeps me sane fills me with dread. It's not like there's a way back.

YMMV and don’t let my experience be your only guide

But I had the same exact feeling. After the first year or two (infant stage is tough, no denying it) I’m actually right back to my hobbies just as before.

It takes more planning now to do the weekend hobby events that are out of town, but it’s still plenty doable.

I’ve also realized that the number of years that your kids are young and require a lot of attention is actually fairly small. I plan to live to at least 80 and the most attentive child-raising years are only a small fraction of that.

Re:I need to stop being boring by gfxgirl on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @12:25PM (#30934117)
I definitely have at least 3 friends with kids that manage to keep up with their hobbies. 5, 3, and 2 kids respectively. No idea how they do it but they certainly demonstrate it can be done.
Re:I need to stop being boring by Elte on Thursday April 07, 2022 @12:42PM (#30946948)
Thanks. It'll happen sooner or later, my girlfriend strongly wishes to be a parent and will probably murder me in my sleep if I back out now ;).

I know I'll likely figure it out, as I have everything in my life so far. That doesn't prevent that dread from creeping up, though.

Re:I need to stop being boring by Volrath89 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @10:23AM (#30932278)
What hobby?
Re:I need to stop being boring by Elte on Thursday April 07, 2022 @12:40PM (#30946911)
Commented below on somebody else asking the same :).
Re:I need to stop being boring by HFguy on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @09:22AM (#30931652)
What is the hobby?
Re:I need to stop being boring by Elte on Thursday April 07, 2022 @12:38PM (#30946877)
(Sorry for the late reply - while I appreciate no notifications from HN it also means I tend to just forget about it).

The hobby is sports. I'm relatively gifted as a "hybrid" athlete, if I work hard at it I can get podium finishes at OCR / Hyrox type events. I'd still do it without that though, it produces an emotional state that, while not taking away the rational thought that there's ultimately not much purpose to anything that I do, makes me not really care about that at all. Makes things make sense even when they don't.

However, the fact that it (a) combines really poorly with a lack of sleep and (b) has an expiration date (athletic ability is of course age bound) do contribute to the sense of dread.

Re:I need to stop being boring by Volrath89 on Thursday April 07, 2022 @03:24PM (#30949198)
Yes I was going to mention just that. Having children will make your life purposeful probably forever? While your hobby has an expiration date and you'll still have many years left.

But now that I think about it, it's the same with children. When a 30 year old parent hits the 50 year old mark his children would likely be already left from home. So it's almost the same, still many years left.

PD: No notifications from HN is great. Nothing will happen if you forget to answer to an stranger on the internet. I'd have forgotten to check your response if I hadn't manually be looking for something in my own comments' history

Re:I need to stop being boring by Elte on Monday April 11, 2022 @11:29AM (#30990156)
> No notifications from HN is great. Nothing will happen if you forget to answer to an stranger on the internet.

I think by and large it's a good thing, but in certain cases "nothing will happen" isn't the outcome I'm looking for ;).

Re:I need to stop being boring by willcipriano on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @08:28AM (#30931269)
What they are really saying is "It was fun (going to the bar/playing video games/whatever) with you when we were young, but I'm not young anymore and have a family to spend time with, I wish you had one too so I could invite you to family oriented activities." but knowing that you won't understand they say they are too busy and tired.
Re:I need to stop being boring by deberon on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @08:50AM (#30931401)
I still like to do all those things as a parent! But I AM too busy and tired to do it impromptu.
Re:I need to stop being boring by jokethrowaway on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @01:50PM (#30935293)
It can also just be an excuse and they don't want to hang out with you.

The reason I started thinking about having a family is that I was done with partying.

The idea of going out for drinks doesn't sound too appealing, but it's the popular thing to say

Re:I need to stop being boring by yoyohello13 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @10:13AM (#30932151)
You can invite people without kids to family oriented activities too. Maybe they would enjoy just hanging out with people.
Re:I need to stop being boring by willcipriano on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @11:34AM (#30933307)
It really depends on the friend I suppose, I wasn't in a place to do all that many family friendly things before having kids personally.
Re:I need to stop being boring by quirino on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @08:22AM (#30931215)
The point of parent comment is that the consequences of having kids are not what they seem from the outside. Maybe your parent friends' experiences are vastly different from how you perceive them (or how they express them).
Re:I need to stop being boring by NateEag on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @08:20AM (#30931207)
"Burnt-out" != "boring".
Re:I need to stop being boring by whistlerbrk on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @08:30AM (#30931282)
Think it depends on the age of the children, right? Do you parents have very young children? Things get better once they are 5-6
Re:I need to stop being boring by v-erne on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @09:36AM (#30931791)
Thats true, when both my children passed that bar (younger is just over 5 and older is 9) a lot of things got much better. But do not kid yourself (pun intended) if you are not sociopath You will feel that You need to care for them for the rest of your life and that always will be a blessing and burden at the same time. And the proportion may not be in your favour (my almost 40 years old brother is still living with my parents and havent had job for years).
Re:I need to stop being boring by osullip on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @08:20AM (#30931198)
Tell that to people who won't/don't have kids
Re:I need to stop being boring by jasper_fitussi on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @10:36AM (#30932435)
Yep, also the introverted ones, with introverted kids.