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Re:Are you a baby? A litmus test by fluoridation on Monday April 04, 2022 @01:19PM (#30909307)
It seems like you're confusing "robbing" and "not giving opportunities".
Re:Are you a baby? A litmus test by TameAntelope on Monday April 04, 2022 @01:22PM (#30909357)
"not giving opportunities for the expression of agency" doesn't roll off the tongue quite the same...
Re:Are you a baby? A litmus test by jerry1979 on Monday April 04, 2022 @04:00PM (#30911335)
I agree that robbing someone of their agency sounds very important; however, if I make assumptions about how someone feels, that could rob them of a potential opportunity, or it could also give them a new opportunity depending on the nature of my assumption.

Either way, their capacity to act (agency) remains intact.

The very important phrasing, in my estimation, can lead people to neurotically question their feelings less they "rob" someone of the capacity to act. In reality, a more lax quip such as "assuming makes an ass out of u-&-me" gives people more breathing room for their lapses in judgement.

Re:Are you a baby? A litmus test by mitchdoogle on Monday April 04, 2022 @02:00PM (#30909887)
In this context, "robbing" fits just fine. Merriam-Webster lists this as a definition of "rob":

to deprive of something due, expected, or desired

So to say you're "robbing someone of their agency" is the same as saying you're "depriving them of an opportunity to decide for themselves"

Re:Are you a baby? A litmus test by fluoridation on Monday April 04, 2022 @02:06PM (#30909971)
I think we've gotten too hung up on a specific word, but if you really want to bring the dictionary into this, are you saying you owe it to other people to give them as many possibilities to decide for themselves? I would have to disagree with that assertion.
Re:Are you a baby? A litmus test by mitchdoogle on Monday April 04, 2022 @02:24PM (#30910232)
Think about it in reverse. Suppose your boss is thinking of increasing your responsibilities along with a significant pay bump, but they think about it and make the assumption that you like your current role and wouldn't like any new responsibilities. Wouldn't you rather make that decision yourself?

Or suppose you're single and there's an attractive acquaintance who is thinking of asking you on a date, but they overhear you talking to a friend about a date you had, and so they assume you wouldn't be interested. You don't want to make that decision yourself?

Re:Are you a baby? A litmus test by fluoridation on Monday April 04, 2022 @02:29PM (#30910310)
Yes, I would like to make those decisions. No, I don't think I'm owed the right to make them. To say otherwise would be silly; if we all honored such a right we'd be forever trapped navigating an interminable labyrinth of negotiation and consensus-reaching.
Re:Are you a baby? A litmus test by em-bee on Monday April 04, 2022 @03:27PM (#30910957)
reaching consensus and building unity is a good way to strengthen a community, organization or team, so no i don't think we'd be trapped. on the contrary, everyone would feel empowered.

most of our problems today are coming from the fact that people are disempowered and lack the agency to improve the situation.

Re:Are you a baby? A litmus test by fluoridation on Monday April 04, 2022 @03:44PM (#30911148)
I misspoke. I should have said "consensus-seeking". The state of having reached consensus is good, yes. Perpetually seeking consensus is not.
Re:Are you a baby? A litmus test by em-bee on Monday April 04, 2022 @03:58PM (#30911306)
you need to seek consensus, in order to reach it, so i disagree. of course, if you can't find consensus after sufficient negotiation then that is a problem, but it depends on the nature of the relationship and the nature of the point in question, how much of a problem it is.

failure to reach consensus could threaten your relationship.

if my boss keeps making decisions for me then i'll eventually quit my job, because i am not willing to work like that. and if my partner does it then it will lead to a breakup and if it is something else, a judge might force a consensus on us.