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Re:High schoolers create filter to remove lead in water by cyber_kinetist on Friday April 01, 2022 @02:50AM (#30875796)
Yeah, the Flint water crisis is not a science problem at all, it’s something that could just be solved plainly by fixing infrastructure. Obviously, great accomplishment for the high schoolers, but right now this news is just becoming another excuse for institutions that actually have power to do anything about this to keep doing nothing about it.
Re:High schoolers create filter to remove lead in water by robbedpeter on Friday April 01, 2022 @03:43AM (#30876034)
There are entanglements - to remove and replace some of the pipe requires removing and disposing of asbestos, or updating or replacing materials or structural elements of a house. A contractor or homeowner can't simply replace plumbing and ignore everything else, and property value is garbage for those houses even if they fix everything up.

They could waive code requirements and grandfather in exceptions that would allow focus on the plumbing but there isn't necessarily a simple answer to the issues facing these people. Who wants to spend a ton of money on a property declining in value in a notorious market? And even if there was a clear and easy path to fix things what effect is lead exposure having on their cognition?

Gotta solve for potential pathologies, obstinacy economics, labor rights, and so forth - it's not a simple home project even if it should be. Filters start to look like a better solution in the face of politics and bureacracy.

Re:High schoolers create filter to remove lead in water by TaylorAlexander on Friday April 01, 2022 @04:39AM (#30876303)
I mean if the government wanted they could identify homes that are too expensive to repair, put the residents up in temporary housing, remove and replace the home with a simple new one, and put the residents back. The federal government gives hundreds of billions to big corporations every year in tax breaks, incentives, contracts, and protection, but we would balk at giving individuals safe homes.
Re:High schoolers create filter to remove lead in water by toomuchtodo on Friday April 01, 2022 @10:19AM (#30878312)
This is the way. Habitat for Humanity does this with donations, governments can do it too. Put families in brand new, safe, modest homes, demo and landfill old homes like you would handle a superfund site (and safely dispose of the asbestos, lead, and god knows what else is in these homes).
Re:High schoolers create filter to remove lead in water by freeone3000 on Friday April 01, 2022 @09:09AM (#30877718)
There seems to be this unwillingness to imagine better. We can't fix the lead because there's also asbestos and we can't fix the asbestos because of shoddy construction and we can't fix the shoddy construction because even if we did the house wouldn't be profitable. Insanity -- the house valuation isn't the point, human safety is! Fix broken things! If things were fixed as you went, there wouldn't be huge reputational problems and infinite constrained loops, there'd just be one isolated issue!

(As corroborating evidence, Montreal has a problem with lead in some pipes. So, they're replacing the pipes, in every residential building, on the island. The mains past the property lines have already been replaced. On the private side of the line, there are two options: You either have it done yourself or the owner pays $3000 for the government to do it. There is no opt-out. It's been going on for two years, and in three more years, there will be no more lead. Problem solved. No reputational hazard. No valuation considerations. It just gets done because it's the correct thing to do.)

Re:High schoolers create filter to remove lead in water by HideousKojima on Friday April 01, 2022 @09:41AM (#30877966)
>Insanity -- the house valuation isn't the point, human safety is! Fix broken things!

Ok, are you going to pay for it?

Re:High schoolers create filter to remove lead in water by TaylorAlexander on Friday April 01, 2022 @01:35PM (#30880916)
Well we could start by making sure super wealthy corporations pay their fair share of taxes, and using that tax money to improve American infrastructure. This “who is going to pay for it” question is nonsense. No one ever asks this when we release massive and inflated military budgets. No one ever asks this when we give tax cuts to the super wealthy, who have more than enough wealth to pay for important infrastructure work while maintaining a lavish lifestyle. Remember that corporations do well when Americans are not falling victim lead poisoning. Corporations do well when young children have their full mental function due to a lack of heavy metals in their water supply.

Who is going to pay for it? Well if we don’t pay for the infrastructure work needed, it will continue to be the innocent children of Flint Michigan who are paying for the shoddy infrastructure with sacrifices to their health and well being.

Re:High schoolers create filter to remove lead in water by freeone3000 on Friday April 01, 2022 @12:20PM (#30879895)
Yes, sure. That is what taxes are for.
Re:High schoolers create filter to remove lead in water by mjevans on Friday April 01, 2022 @04:37AM (#30876288)
Waiting for 'an act of god' like a tornado or a great Chicago fire event to force the issue appears to be the default option.
Re:High schoolers create filter to remove lead in water by stjohnswarts on Friday April 01, 2022 @08:47AM (#30877594)
Wow, yeah I didn't even think about the asbestos in older houses. Imagine having some people come in and check your pipes for lead but check for asbestos (because they'll have to tear out walls to fix it) and then you find out that you now have two problems :(
Re:High schoolers create filter to remove lead in water by robbedpeter on Friday April 01, 2022 @01:02PM (#30880510)
And depending on the area, the local government, local banks, and contractors could be working hand in pocket, arranging things such that you'll need to pay out the nose, and/or go into debt to resolve the problems.

Honestly, I'd probably sneak a pex run and pay a friend of a friend and not notify the authorities if faced with lead issues, but my exposure to lead might have my brain mangled to the point that I don't care or can't effectively plan a surreptitious fix. Flint is just all sorts of fucked.