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Re:We can do better than “same, but electric” by oblio on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @09:56AM (#30842570)
The list of places where biking is not realistic is actually the opposite.

It's hot places, especially if you don't have easy access to showers after biking.

You can always put on warm clothing, you can't really shed skin.

For cold places:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU

+ you know, the Netherlands, which has a cloudy and rainy and chilly climate.

Besides that, places that aren't a flat are obviously a challenge, but even that's solvable with electric bikes.

More than that, to be completely blunt, most places are not Scotland. You have a reputation for a crap climate, for a reason.

Re:We can do better than “same, but electric” by scarygliders on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @10:29AM (#30842990)
The video you cited made me feel both ill and annoyed. The smug proclamations from some guy who judges everyone else was nauseating. It's also based on urban life within a city. Cities with invariably flat landscapes with no hills. The Netherland you cite is basically flat compared to Scotland.

Scotland is _very_ hilly. And cold. And _rainy_. Your proposals would NOT work here. Apart from Glasgow and Edinburgh, most towns, villages and other cities here are not suitable to forgoing cars in favour of cycles - electric or not - and that's not down to a lack of cycle lanes or tracks, it's down to the practicalities of life here.

Your Utopia cannot happen, and in fact would eventually turn into a dystopia.

Re:We can do better than “same, but electric” by oblio on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @11:13AM (#30843651)
You just glossed over the fact that most of the populated areas in the world are not like Scotland.

And disregard the tone and listen to the words.

We're supposed to be geeks here, do facts or feelings matter more?

Re:We can do better than “same, but electric” by scarygliders on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @11:26AM (#30843853)
Most populated areas of the world are also not suited to having everyone living in rural areas being herded together into an ultimately dystopian pod-life hellhole.

The facts are that whoever is advocating for this have not thought past their subjective experience and are exhibiting a serious lack of empathy for the majority of human beings they quite obviously are unaware of who are living in many environments which are completely different from the ones advocating.

Re:We can do better than “same, but electric” by oblio on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @12:39PM (#30844886)
> Most populated areas of the world are also not suited to having everyone living in rural areas being herded together into an ultimately dystopian pod-life hellhole.

Most people in the world don't live in rural areas, and where they are the majority, you wouldn't want to live like that because they're subsistence farmers living in undervedeloped countries (think Somalia, Afghanistan, etc).

In developed countries and developing countries people are being "herded" in to cities, and they like it because the alternative is worse. And they are the majority.

The fact that you don't know this basic fact kind of says all there is to be said about this conversation...

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS

Also, off-topic but still relevant:

One of the greatest triumphs of civilization is urbanization. All the cradle of civilizations are called like that because they built great cities, for their time.

Re:We can do better than “same, but electric” by foobiekr on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @12:19PM (#30844571)
The “Not Just Bikes” guy is well loved by a certain age of cycling and city enthusiasts who don’t have any idea what it’s like to be older or who have to deal with real world non-idealized city apartments.

Neighbor noise (and other issues) is a huge issue that these threads always ignore.

Re:We can do better than “same, but electric” by lelandbatey on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @03:34PM (#30847307)
Neighbor noise can be an issue depending on location, but many of us write it off because we currently live in cities and find that neighbor noise is not a problem and is not something we care about given how minor of an event it is when we do experience it at all.

I suspect that your experiences and expectations may differ from others in this thread. What are your expectations and experiences in this area?

Re:We can do better than “same, but electric” by foobiekr on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @09:22PM (#30862838)
I dealt with neighbor noise in 3/5 apartments I rented.

It is why I will _never_ share walls again.

What you're really saying is that you are a person who is not bothered by neighbor noise. That's fine, you've self-selected into an environment where tolerating that is necessary. You should realize that most people find neighbor noise to be a stressor, especially as they get older.

Also, as an aside, everyone I know who below the top economic tier and lives in SF _commonly_ complains about neighbor noise. I think you might just be insensitive to it.

Re:We can do better than “same, but electric” by jimmaswell on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @10:32AM (#30843027)
I feel like there must be some innovation coming if it hasn't already with thermoelectric cooling and ebike batteries.