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Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by the-dude on Monday March 28, 2022 @09:17AM (#30830224)
In The Netherlands, opening times were strictly regulated by law up to 1984 : no openings on Sunday, weekdays not later than 18:00 and Saturday no later than 17:00.

This scheme was common up till the mid nineties. Since then it has been relaxed, but it is still regulated.

One of the reasons listed for the regulation is the protection of 'Mom & Pop' stores.

Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by wongarsu on Monday March 28, 2022 @10:23AM (#30830794)
Same thing in Germany. All shops are closed on Sundays and bank holidays, and while opening times on weekdays have been deregulated in most states, some - like Bavaria - still enforce opening times of no more than 6:00 to 20:00 or 6:00 to 22:00.

I'm generally a fan of longer opening times, but having a day where everyone but entertainment and hospitality has free time simultaneously seems very healthy for both families and society at large.

Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by rsynnott on Monday March 28, 2022 @11:33AM (#30831600)
> All shops are closed on Sundays and bank holidays

Unless, of course, they are in a train station. This loophole seems to be _heavily_ exploited.

Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by zozbot234 on Monday March 28, 2022 @09:23AM (#30830268)
> One of the reasons listed for the regulation is the protection of 'Mom & Pop' stores.

A silly motivation. Smaller-scale businesses on the "convenience store" model are more likely to provide extended opening hours than any large store operation. That's as close to "Mom & Pop" as it gets.

Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by the-dude on Monday March 28, 2022 @09:28AM (#30830315)
I don't get your POV.

I talked about the 80s and 90s and a healthy work/life balance was still a political talking point at the time.

Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by Macha on Monday March 28, 2022 @09:49AM (#30830449)
Also single worker households, which meant there was someone to patronise those stores while the breadwinner was themselves working.

(To be clear, I'm not saying everything was great in the days of "all women are house wives" but it would have been nice if the stigma of a house husband went away instead, rather than the actual turn out of "both adults must work").

Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by crimthrw2022 on Monday March 28, 2022 @10:09AM (#30830646)
> rather than the actual turn out of "both adults must work").

It was almost an inevitably. Especially for the middle class, I would imagine that both sides of the couple working provided a substantial boost in economic mobility. Or at least a perceived one. At that point its just keeping up with the joneses.

Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by jacquesm on Monday March 28, 2022 @09:54AM (#30830480)
The motivation was religious.
Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by the-dude on Monday March 28, 2022 @10:00AM (#30830537)
The Winkeltijdenwet was instated in 1976 when we had the Den Uyl government, which consisted of Partij van de Arbeid (PvdA), Katholieke Volkspartij (KVP), Anti-Revolutionaire Partij (ARP), Politieke Partij Radikalen (PPR) en de Democraten 66 (D'66)

That is a lot of left radicals and only 1 religious party.

Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by jacquesm on Monday March 28, 2022 @11:50AM (#30831786)
As you are no doubt aware concessions are often made to smaller parties in order to secure their votes on other subjects is well established in Dutch politics.
Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by the-dude on Monday March 28, 2022 @11:57AM (#30831870)
There is no reason to assume the left wanted to work on Sunday.
Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by jacquesm on Monday March 28, 2022 @12:15PM (#30832096)
https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/kst-24226-3.html

And many others besides.

Really, why would you even try to argue something that is pretty much settled history at this point in time? The Netherlands historically had a very strong religious streak running through it and one of the last vestiges of their direct influence on Dutch society is the 'Winkelsluitingstijden' law.

Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by the-dude on Monday March 28, 2022 @12:21PM (#30832175)
That link is a wall of text. Could you please quote what is supposedly proving your point? Because I can't find it.
Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by mangamadaiyan on Monday March 28, 2022 @11:25AM (#30831496)
Probably in Gelderland, I guess? Not too sure about the rest of NL.
Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by jacquesm on Monday March 28, 2022 @11:53AM (#30831822)
Limburg and Brabant are in the present day a lot more religious than Gelderland, as is Zeeland and a large chunk of the area North-East and East of Amersfoort.

NL is percentage wise (or rather, was) one of the countries were religion was 'on the way out', unfortunately that trend seems to have first stabilized and is now reversing. It's a pity because personally I think religion should have absolutely no place in politics or organized society, though I do believe that people should be free to practice whatever religion they want as long as it does not negatively affect others.

Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by mangamadaiyan on Monday March 28, 2022 @12:26PM (#30832241)
I last visited NL about two decades ago, and spent most of my time in a Gelderland village. I must say that I was reasonably well-tolerated as a visiting heathen ;)

As you mention, it's the religious intolerance that one finds disturbing, not religion (of any kind) itself. It is fairly rare to have one without the other these days, it would seem. The phenomenon is not limited to NL alone, I think.

Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by jacquesm on Monday March 28, 2022 @01:02PM (#30832721)
That's fair but the strong Islam presence has lots of people upset to the point where I would say the Dutch (as a group, of people without religion or subscribing to some religion) are now less tolerant of (other) religion(s) than they were 20 years ago. This is a factor in the right wing extremist presence who use this to drive a wedge between people who otherwise probably would not care that much, it is clearly positioned as 'Islam against the rest'. Most notable for this is Geert Wilders, who is a complete asshole but there are others as well.

Gelderland (where my family is from) is definitely more religious than say Amsterdam, but far less than the South of Limburg or the 'Bible Belt'. At the same time, those are all various offshoots of Christianity, whereas if you were to look at Islam you will find the opposite, it is strongly represented in the big cities, where there is hardly any Christian offshoots left (and if they are they are dying).

Churches are disappearing, Mosques are rising up everywhere, and I'm not sure if the longer term will find NL with a more tolerant version of itself or if it will regress at some point.

Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by zozbot234 on Monday March 28, 2022 @01:35PM (#30833177)
It's not really the Islam presence that bothers people, it's specifically intolerant, militant religion that happens to be of the Muslim type. Let's be clear, nobody there is complaining about an overabundance of wise Sufi mystics.
Re:Crazy Eddie: The popular electronics chain that scammed A... by jacquesm on Monday March 28, 2022 @01:43PM (#30833280)
No, but there are many more people complaining about morning calls to prayer than there ever were to complain about church bells (with the exception of Tilburg).