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Re:How we built a new, fast file transfer protocol by amelius on Saturday March 26, 2022 @02:37PM (#30814154)
I just tried the calculator. It seems that if you're in "US Metro" or "Europe", then the transfer protocol is just as fast as TCP, is this correct? I wonder why this is the case. Is it because the routers play more fairly?
Re:How we built a new, fast file transfer protocol by jandrese on Saturday March 26, 2022 @04:53PM (#30815254)
I would expect it means your service provider isn't dropping packets. Their protocol seems to just be more aggressive about not backing off in the face of packet loss, which is helpful if one of your links is a marginal radio connection.

The cynic in me thinks they achieve better throughput because they don't play nice with TCP and monopolize the link while everybody else gets backed off.

Re:How we built a new, fast file transfer protocol by drpixie on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:58PM (#30816454)
I'm inclined to agree. Perhaps there's a place for a "fast" FTP protocol but I wouldn't want to be sharing the link with them ... imagine the cries going around the office ... "has the internet gone down again!?"

For TCP transfers, I expect to see near 100% utilisation (if I'm not sharing bandwidth) but that's on wired (reliable) links.

Re:How we built a new, fast file transfer protocol by hansel_der on Sunday March 27, 2022 @10:54AM (#30820678)
nailed it.

communication links are generally a shared resource (common good) and the experience will degrade for everyone if individual transfers/users aren't backing down voluntarily.

Re:How we built a new, fast file transfer protocol by ncmncm on Sunday March 27, 2022 @02:57AM (#30818317)
You can do better than TCP and still "play nice". Just using up exactly the bandwidth TCP refuses to use, as FASP does by default, gets you much faster transmission.
Re:How we built a new, fast file transfer protocol by hansel_der on Sunday March 27, 2022 @10:49AM (#30820649)
> Just using up exactly the bandwidth TCP refuses to use

There's not much good to say about ppl that "use up the space others refuse to use" at the queue in a store, thou.

i.e. our network links are generally not designed to be used at full capacity b/c queueing is hard and buying faster/more gear is easy.

Re:How we built a new, fast file transfer protocol by ncmncm on Sunday March 27, 2022 @07:09PM (#30825100)
Then let's not say it. Clearly you miss the point: any provisioned backbone bandwidth that does not carry a packet just goes to waste. Network backbone channels are not provisioned like your consumer-grade cable TV network endpoint hubs. Carriers pay for guaranteed capacity. When TCP fails to use bandwidth capacity, it is failing to use backbone bandwidth, not dodgy last-mile bandwidth.

Even moreso: when so configured, FASP is having exactly zero effect on the actual bit rate of the TCP connections. Another TCP connection would compete for the same packet slots, slowing them all down. The FASP traffic does not slow down any of the TCP connections, but only competes with other FASP (or similar) traffic.

Re:How we built a new, fast file transfer protocol by jandrese on Monday March 28, 2022 @10:30AM (#30830864)
Anything that causes packet loss will slow down TCP. If you are fully saturating a link you will introduce packet loss. It's just how TCP works.
Re:How we built a new, fast file transfer protocol by ncmncm on Monday March 28, 2022 @04:39PM (#30835286)
And if you are fully saturating exactly the packet slots TCP would not try to use, then you are not introducing packet loss. That is just how FASP works.
Re:How we built a new, fast file transfer protocol by hansel_der on Friday April 01, 2022 @09:05AM (#30877700)
there is just no way for end-points to know about the 'unused slots' much less use them specifically (w/o introducing packet loss or latency).
Re:How we built a new, fast file transfer protocol by hansel_der on Sunday March 27, 2022 @10:36AM (#30820549)
> The cynic in me thinks they achieve better throughput because they don't play nice with TCP and monopolize the link while everybody else gets backed off.

sounds like BBRv1