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Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by infinitezest on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:30AM (#30810944)
It provides reasonable explanations for the question that was originally asked. Efficiency is being traded for portability. We may not like that but plenty of people are using app built an electron everyday and a lot of those people aren't even paying attention to how much RAM it uses.
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by heavyset_go on Saturday March 26, 2022 @06:26PM (#30815918)
Users do notice things like "my computer heats up and the fans are loud when I use this app" and "my computer slows down if I open this app with other apps already open".
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by greggsy on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:53AM (#30811070)
Additionally, there’s a point where the user’s desired use case is just isn’t reasonable. 4gb RAM is very little to work with, particularly in a world where 8gb is the norm.
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by ClumsyPilot on Saturday March 26, 2022 @04:06PM (#30814913)
You do realise that sone people live in poorer countries and can't afford newest and latest?
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by xigoi on Sunday March 27, 2022 @05:02AM (#30818823)
Yeah, fuck poor people! It's their fault that they can't afford to buy a new expensive computer every year!
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by refactor_master on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:29AM (#30810939)
I’d argue that’s exactly what a hacker is. You’re doing something that works and serves a purpose, even though it might not be pretty.
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by karmakaze on Saturday March 26, 2022 @02:59PM (#30814336)
The person who made and first used Electron is a hacker. Everyone now is merely taking the path of least resistance, which is not what a hacker is.
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by ironmagma on Sunday March 27, 2022 @01:15AM (#30817889)
Taking the path of least resistance is very much in the hacker spirit. "I just hacked it together with what I had." Reinventing the wheel, that's for entrepreneurs.
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by evocatus on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:52AM (#30811067)
It's too late. The dilution of the hacker community has crossed a critical threshold.
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by F117-DK on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:23AM (#30810905)
why?
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by blorenz on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:54AM (#30811075)
Wow I didn’t mean for that to be a controversial response. My apologies. The parent comment referred to Electron being “absolutely unbeatable”. That is my belief of not being in the spirit of a hacker or have the willingness to disrupt the status quo. We have accepted Electron’s glaring shortcomings as a whole and consistently complain about it. There are projects out there that try to satisfy these points in each of them has particular trade offs. I hope to see these contenders rise. One thing I do know from my time in tech is not to get too complacent with the single tech who monopolies a problem space. Innovations will prevail.
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Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by blorenz on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:56AM (#30811085)
You are right. I posted a follow up response under another comment here. Thank you for holding me accountable.
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by avazhi on Saturday March 26, 2022 @08:05AM (#30811131)
Thanks for that, and I agree with you about something being considered 'unbeatable' and the industry becoming complacent about it. I think the original poster probably meant that it's only currently unbeatable, not unbeatable in perpetuity. At any rate, I definitely agree that the hacking mentality is inherently subversive and rebellious vis-a-vis monopolists (and just in general, for the intellectual challenge and bragging rights), and for whatever it's worth I hate Electron for the same reason as OP - it's slow and the battery life sucks (even on an M1 Pro).
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by danlugo92 on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:28AM (#30810931)
Just ignore em
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by ostenning on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:46AM (#30811035)
Your response seems even worse
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by avazhi on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:49AM (#30811049)
I expressed an opinion and then gave the reasons why I have it.

Not sure you understood my initial comment.

Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by ostenning on Saturday March 26, 2022 @08:05AM (#30811132)
You edited every comment multiple times downplaying your abusive comments, no point arguing with a troll
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by dkersten on Saturday March 26, 2022 @08:15AM (#30811199)
I edit most of my comments multiple times, until I'm happy with their tone, content and grammar. I do proof read them before posting, but things still slip through often, especially when its a comment with a more combative tone. Sometimes it takes a little time to tone it down and bring it more inline with my intent, especially if I didn't realize how combative it was originally.

I think that's pretty normal and reasonable and certainly not trolling.

Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by sshine on Saturday March 26, 2022 @08:46AM (#30811363)
This is getting meta, but I agree: I usually can't see what I'm writing before I have hit submit. It's as if the simulating-what-the-other-person-sees doesn't kick in until they actually have an opportunity to read it.

It'd be trolling if the intent was to gaslight.

Otherwise, toning down aggression is a virtue.

Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by avazhi on Saturday March 26, 2022 @08:11AM (#30811172)
I edited two comments to give the original commenter the benefit of the doubt and to be less inflammatory. Interesting that you think that's trolling.

Good day.

Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by 28304283409234 on Saturday March 26, 2022 @08:02AM (#30811106)
You used flamable wording.
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by heavyset_go on Saturday March 26, 2022 @05:31PM (#30815541)
It goes against the HN guidelines.
Re:Ask HN: Why aren't there any real alternatives to Electron? by Ourgon on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:57AM (#30811088)
Cut it out with the ad-hominems or move to Reddit.