Most of the people attending Hauptschule don't attend university [0]. In some regions 60% of the children attend it. Aren't you concerned that the person who could discover the cure for cancer is in Hauptschule right now?
Imagine a Germany in which the rest of your life isn't determined at age ten.
Also, the average attendance for Hauptschule is <10% [1]. Wouldn’t you agree that at least 10% of kids would benefit from having an education experience more tailored to their needs instead of building resentment for education by being forced to sit through terribly boring lessons with the nerds knowing the answer for everything?
[1]: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulsystem_in_Deutschland#Sch...
Do you know how many people in Hauptschule make it to university?
> Also, the average attendance for Hauptschule is <10% [1].
I must acknowledge I thought it was 25%, it must've changed in recent years.
> Wouldn’t you agree that at least 10% ...
Thank you for the question. I buy the thesis of the Case against education by which university is a waste of time for most people, nevertheless it's hard for me to stigmatize a percentage of the population by not allowing them to waste their time there as well with their former ten year old smarter classmates.
I went to Realschule, made a 3 year apprenticeship as a software engineer and went for 2 further years to bos.
I'm now able to study.
Why do you think that? Genuinely curious.
What you imply here is entierly untrue. I know lots of people that made their Abitur after having been to the Haupt- or Realschule first. That is not to say that the school system doesn't have its problems -- it clearly has -- but you are painting a picture that is not rooted in reality.
Having lived in Europe for 30+ years, I have never heard of this outside higher education at very famous institutions, e.g. Stanford, Harvard, MIT.
In fact, primary and secondary schools in the US are usually seen as quite insufficient.
> This is for developer positions I would expect it different if you are hiring line cooks.
I’m a lead engineer myself.
Again, I yet have to find anyone in Europe who would have primary and secondary education in the US in high consideration. In fact, after traveling in Asia, I had somewhat the same experience: top US universities were highly valued, but anything below that was mostly dismissed.
That is an extremely large percentage if the candidate pool was chosen at random. That would be surprising in Europe.
Anyway, I didn’t say it was surprising, but it is rare.
> US people study abroad too. It’s very common and tech people tend to pick US because it’s heavy in tech.
Sure. But there is a difference between hiring US nationals abroad, who likely would be US educated, and US educated Portuguese or German nationals, who are a very small minority of the population, and that’s what I was asking.
I have no clue if your education system is better or ours.
It's just that we think multiple choice tests are easier than free form.
^And then our public school had some funded, hidden exchange with Geelong Grammar school :)
Personally at that role it was an English role so I only took from their US education that they can function in an English environment. I didn’t give two shits about their Carnegie Mellon masters.
If there is no money in something, then it's assumed there is no value. It's the American way.
You would only get those same problems if you made college mandatory, as well as free.
A real commitment to a policy of free tertiary education would also expand the availability of trade schools not just universities.
This is part of the proposal of progressives. They always emphasized the freedom for a student to choose between trade school or community college, and then move on to a public 4 year school if they chose to do so.
Public education in the US is the most well-funded per student you can find anywhere. Yet somehow it doesn't translate into top-tier teachers nor top-tier outcomes. It's almost like giving huge amounts of money to unaccountable bureaucrats doesn't solve problems.
https://www.mygermanuniversity.com/universities
You are a little bit limited by what you like to study if you don't speak German as not every university offers a bachelor in English but it's doable.
By "free" I think what you are trying to say is that in Germany working class people, the majority of whom don't go to college, pay for rich kids to go to college, rather than having those people pay for themselves.
There was a video (perhaps even from kurzgesagt) which describes how critical it is for our society to allow as many people as easy access to knowledge as possible and not only for obvious reasons but also to increase the chance for all of us that the hidden genius is finding a cure for cancer.
You can even study for free in Germany as an non German. You know what happens? Those people might stay in Germany and make Germany a better country.
Imagine a world were we compete globally with the best education system. Let's allow more people to shape our future.