Re:M1 Ultra About 3x Bigger Than AMD's Ryzen CPUs
by tuvan on Sunday March 20, 2022 @02:58PM
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Is it actually 2 different pieces of silicon though? I thought they were 2xM1 Max as a single silicon. Which wouldn't help with defect rates
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Re:M1 Ultra About 3x Bigger Than AMD's Ryzen CPUs
by addaon on Sunday March 20, 2022 @03:06PM
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It is two separate dice, with an EMIB-style interconnect.
Re:M1 Ultra About 3x Bigger Than AMD's Ryzen CPUs
by mcronce on Sunday March 20, 2022 @04:20PM
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That makes a lot of sense. The Max is still pretty fucking big, but two of those is a lot more manageable than a single monolothic die double the size
Re:M1 Ultra About 3x Bigger Than AMD's Ryzen CPUs
by ace2358 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @04:40PM
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I just listened to the latest atp.fm podcast. I think John said that it actually is two adjacent M1 max dies. The Ultra can’t be made from two random working die. They have to physically be adjacent on the wafer.
I don’t know if that means it’s physically one due though.
Re:M1 Ultra About 3x Bigger Than AMD's Ryzen CPUs
by wmf on Sunday March 20, 2022 @06:04PM
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Usually dies aren't mirrored on the wafer so I'm calling citation needed on this one.
Re:M1 Ultra About 3x Bigger Than AMD's Ryzen CPUs
by ace2358 on Monday March 21, 2022 @12:21AM
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Not sure if the counts. I know it’s a patent and it could be anything. But it talks about two adjacent dies being used if they’re good or being split if there is a defect.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20210217702A1/en?oq=2021...
Re:M1 Ultra About 3x Bigger Than AMD's Ryzen CPUs
by wmf on Monday March 21, 2022 @01:14AM
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Thanks for the link. I'm not a lithography expert, but this looks like a Cerebras-style approach at a smaller scale. It might be cheaper than the EMIB/InFo approach since there's no interposer with the associated alignment and thickness issues. In the keynote Apple explicitly said they're using a silicon interposer, which doesn't sound like this patent.