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Re:George Hotz against the institutions by CyberRabbi on Sunday March 20, 2022 @02:01AM (#30740515)
Interesting discussion of AI and the decline of civilization. His allergies to power are a bit naive though not completely unfounded, at least Stallman comes to mind as an example of someone who was able to change the course of history without much personal power, instead he crafted ideas that had power. Some ideas are powerful enough to compel enough people to act in line with them. Ultimately accomplishing anything at a large scale requires large scale cooperation. Whether the reason is money, submission to authority, or ideological conviction.
Re:George Hotz against the institutions by thowaway673y on Sunday March 20, 2022 @02:33AM (#30740621)
RMS is no normal human, he can match with 5 or 6 100x programmers from symbolic company which they have admitted.
Re:George Hotz against the institutions by gurjeet on Sunday March 20, 2022 @05:17AM (#30741251)
Just a note that this comment, and the thread below it (hopefully excluding the one you're reading), produced zero value to the readers of the thread. Writing these comments must've taken a lot of care and energy for the authors of the comments. But because the whole thread was essentially just a quarrel, and speaking over each other, all that effort was wasted.

Restraint: I believe this is the HN way. Hold back your comments, think about how many people are going to read it. Now think if your comment will add value to the lives or knowledge of those readers. If the answer is "No", then please exercise restraint, and try to overcome your desire to say something smart (or, intentionally, dumb) just because you have the opportunity and the time to respond.

Disclaimer: I have no relationship with HN, apart from being just another user. So my claims of "the HN way", should not be taken to mean that I know anything about HN, or the community.

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Re:George Hotz against the institutions by morelisp on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:04AM (#30743187)
If you spent half as much time obsessing over the technical details rather than the people you too could be an amazing programmer. What is it that makes you read that and come away thinking "wow, I want to know more about him" and not "wow, I want to be able to do that too"?
Re:George Hotz against the institutions by eschaton on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:16PM (#30748329)
Except, from what I’ve heard, RMS is full of shit about that and was actually caught copy-and-pasting Symbolics code. Kind of like how he originally based GNU emacs on gosmacs and early versions had to be removed from distribution as a result.
Re:George Hotz against the institutions by CyberRabbi on Sunday March 20, 2022 @02:45AM (#30740678)
Nowhere in my comment is there a suggestion that RMS is a “normal human.” If your intention is not to refute my comment but to add unrelated info, then thank you for that info.
Re:George Hotz against the institutions by thowaway673y on Sunday March 20, 2022 @03:03AM (#30740756)
Your comments gives the impression anyone could have substituted RMS place in history. I want to point out that this is not the case. RMS is unique in at least 2 ways. One his intellect stands out even among the 100x programmers. Second willing to sacrifice his personal life for a cause he believes in. Its very rare both intersect. You can see either Einstein level geniuses or Activists who sacrifice their personal life. RMS is an intersection of both. The only other person I can think of is Aaron Swartz.
Re:George Hotz against the institutions by CyberRabbi on Sunday March 20, 2022 @03:25AM (#30740831)
That’s interesting that you came away with the impression that Stallman is replaceable from my comment given my comment states in literal terms that Stallman crafted an idea that changed the world. What specific part of my comment gave you the impression that he’s replaceable?
Re:George Hotz against the institutions by account-5 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @03:44AM (#30740895)
> What specific part of my comment gave you the impression that he’s replaceable?

I think but obviously can't confirm it might have been this bit:

> ... at least Stallman comes to mind as an example of someone who was able to change the course of history *without much personal power, instead he crafted ideas that had power.*

To me this might be construed as Stallman could be replaced by anyone, since he had little personal power and only crafted ideas; anyone could craft ideas.

I might be wrong though but that would be my guess

Re:George Hotz against the institutions by thowaway673y on Sunday March 20, 2022 @04:05AM (#30740983)
Exactly

> instead he crafted ideas that had power

The emphasis is on the idea rather than the individual.

Re:George Hotz against the institutions by roxaaaane on Sunday March 20, 2022 @06:56AM (#30741640)
This the most HN discussion I've ever seen on HN
Re:George Hotz against the institutions by krapp on Sunday March 20, 2022 @07:14AM (#30741703)
I know, it's basically an argument about whether RMS is a god or merely a prophet.
Re:George Hotz against the institutions by CyberRabbi on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:09AM (#30742321)
Nowhere in this thread is there an argument or dispute over Stallman’s status.
Re:George Hotz against the institutions by civildude on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:22PM (#30749849)
i can dispute that with this blog i archived somewhere in 2004 about this very matter: link.com/blog/what-the-world-got-wrong-about-me/
Re:George Hotz against the institutions by pertymcpert on Sunday March 20, 2022 @04:02AM (#30740973)
What did Aaron Schwartz do to justify being placed on the same level of genius as RMS?