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Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by ionwake on Friday March 18, 2022 @04:35PM (#30727181)
Not sure if this is interesting to anyone but, I grew up in Spain, in a relatively wild area near the coast, and then spent my remaining couple decades in England in different places.

When I went to Atlanta and the surrounding suburbs, I was completely flabbergasted to come across a tree which had been felled by a beaver.

Not because they exist, I know quite a bit about them, but perhaps specifically because there no signs, no souvenir items in the nearby park shop, no jokes, no real mention, of the fact the forests around atlanta were so diverse they had large mammals. It was just an after thought. Oh that tree? Yes a big beaver did that randomly no biggie.

I then drove to the swamps in Florida and saw the alligators. But I was expecting the wildlife - as its an attraction and known about.

Small things like seeing a flock of large birds on a telephone line, in the city of miami, yet a flock of such a size, with such large birds, is something I had not seen in my life in any city or place in Europe - and I doubt anyone walking passed would stop to notice it.

I really do think the bio diversity in the US is taken for granted! I know about the special parks and often spoken about animals and habitats, but its the small moments you realise just dont exist anywhere else that I am unsure the locals even realise.

Maybe I am wrong - just wanted to share, thanks.

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by arprocter on Friday March 18, 2022 @06:24PM (#30728326)
I had a similar experience moving from the UK to US - 'indoor cats' were an alien concept to me, but a friend explained they couldn't let theirs outside because 'they'd be eaten by coyotes'

It was bonkers to me there were beavers and turtles in the lake down the street, not to mention big snakes and humming birds...and the first time you see a possum is kind of crazy

When I was growing up the British garden centre nearby sold chipmunks as pets, which amuses Americans when I tell them

Apparently they have wild raccoons in Germany

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by Tijdreiziger on Friday March 18, 2022 @09:12PM (#30729851)
Recently, wolves returned to the Netherlands! It was front page news.

Farmers haven’t been happy though, as the wolves kill their sheep.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47838162

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by mikepurvis on Friday March 18, 2022 @10:38PM (#30730391)
What is a "non-wild" raccoon? I'm pretty sure it's wild ones that chew through the bottom of my plastic trash can to lick meat juice off the styrofoam trays.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by pacaro on Saturday March 19, 2022 @01:11AM (#30731273)
I think that the observation about raccoons in Germany is made because they aren't native to Europe. Probably the correct word is feral

My mother (who lives in the UK) recently visited me (in the US). While walking we saw a bald eagle fishing. She was blown away. Here that's commonplace

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by pfdietz on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @02:47PM (#30769890)
Seeing eagles fishing is now commonplace, but it wasn't even a few decades ago, as the Bald Eagle was nearly extirpated in the contiguous 48 US states by DDT pollution. Thankfully they've made a big comeback.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by bboozzoo on Saturday March 19, 2022 @06:31AM (#30732655)
Raccoons were introduced in Europe by humans, but badgers are native to Europe and they are equally interesting mammals. Although your chances of spotting a badger in the wild, at least in Poland, are much lower than for the racoons in the US.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by smackeyacky on Friday March 18, 2022 @09:53PM (#30730121)
Come to Australia.

We have a colony of bats in our backyard at the moment. A very noisy colony of bats that leave at dusk and return at 4 in the morning, squabbling.

It was fun for the first month. Now we're hoping it will get too cold for them and they will move back to the coast for a while.

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by cmrdporcupine on Friday March 18, 2022 @10:46PM (#30730437)
Here I am in Ontario wishing I could come up with the magic formula to get a colony of bats to set up shop in the woods near my vineyard, so they can dine on the japanese beetles that decimate it every year.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by wmil on Saturday March 19, 2022 @04:36AM (#30732189)
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by bregma on Saturday March 19, 2022 @07:38AM (#30732991)
We used to have a colony of bats at our house (rural eastern Ontario) but the P. destructans infection ("white nose syndrome") has wiped them out completely in most of eastern North America. Like wolves, bats are now extinct in this region with all the entailing ecological changes.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by cmrdporcupine on Saturday March 19, 2022 @09:51AM (#30733686)
HN needs a "sad" vote button :-(
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by smackeyacky on Saturday March 19, 2022 @01:55AM (#30731491)
If there was a way to train them, ship them and make them stay you would be welcome to ours.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by yurishimo on Saturday March 19, 2022 @03:22AM (#30731876)
Austin Texas is home to a very large bat colony and watching them emerge from under a highway overpass is a common family activity during the summer.

https://www.austintexas.org/things-to-do/outdoors/bat-watchi...

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by grosswait on Friday March 18, 2022 @05:58PM (#30728073)
Thank you for sharing your perspective. It never occurred to me that seeing things like deer, foxes, bear, eagles etc would be a similar experience in rural Europe. I’ve never seen such things when I’ve been there, but I figured it was just my bad luck or bad timing. Makes me appreciate more my surroundings. Thanks!
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by justincormack on Saturday March 19, 2022 @04:54AM (#30732253)
Deer are fairly common. Foxes are easier to see in cities than the countryside in the uk. Bears are rare and live in remote places, same with eagles.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by Aicy on Saturday March 19, 2022 @05:09AM (#30732314)
I live in London and saw a fox or two almost every evening.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by nkrisc on Friday March 18, 2022 @06:00PM (#30728099)
Growing up in the middle of Chicago, it wasn't terribly uncommon to be walking down a major four lane road and see a coyote running down to the road to the nearby cemetery.

Or the time I saw the fattest coyote I'd ever seen casually walk right past me on the sidewalk.

Or the coyote in Quizno's (sub sandwich chain) incident: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-070404...

A coyote walks into the shop and cools off in a drink cooler.

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by batch12 on Friday March 18, 2022 @09:52PM (#30730119)
A coyote out during the day, alone, and not afraid of humans is something to stay away from for sure. Where I live there are few animals that have no restricted season to hunt and no limits. Coyotes are one of them.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by cmrdporcupine on Friday March 18, 2022 @10:48PM (#30730446)
Here in Ontario coyotes seem worse in urban areas than rural. We live on 6 acres just outside town and we hear them at night, see their droppings and the remnants of their rabbit-dinners, but have seen them only a couple times in our 10 years. They're dreadfully shy.

In town, though, they're brazen and walk right by people and sometimes will snatch their pets from their backyards as a snack.

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by nkrisc on Friday March 18, 2022 @11:37PM (#30730740)
They’ve adapted remarkably well to urban environments it seems. In Chicago they regularly use train lines and greenways along the both branches of the Chicago river to get around. And there’s loads of parks, cemeteries, and other green spaces. Deer seem to do well in the city too. The cemetery I used to live by (Rosehill on the Northside) hosted many deer. This is a cemetery with dense urban residential areas on all four sides, but it must have been large enough for them and there’s lots of quiet neighborhood side streets around.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by refurb on Saturday March 19, 2022 @04:01AM (#30732060)
In Alberta, which has the cities of Edmonton and Calgary which are >1M in population, it's not that unusual for moose and bears to make their way into the cities' neighborhoods.

It's usually just the outer suburbs, but both cities have undeveloped river valley greenspace that the animals use to find unobstructed paths almost to the city center.

https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/bear-sightings-around-alberta-ca...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/moose-calgary-northwe...

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by mnahkies on Saturday March 19, 2022 @05:04AM (#30732294)
I enjoyed this story of a sea lion breaking into a public pool in Dunedin, New Zealand. Unfortunately I can't find the video that includes the CTV footage of it making its way through the cafe but it's still fairly entertaining https://youtu.be/7cjL1qjaUkE
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by JadeNB on Friday March 18, 2022 @07:16PM (#30728859)
> Or the coyote in Quizno's (sub sandwich chain) incident: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-070404...

How can no-one have taken a picture, or, if they did, how can the Trib not have included it?

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by nkrisc on Friday March 18, 2022 @11:32PM (#30730717)
Found it. If you scroll down you can see it with bottled drinks behind it: https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2010/12/08/131876027/6...
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by nkrisc on Friday March 18, 2022 @11:30PM (#30730698)
I recall there is a picture, but I’m not completely sure. I’d have to search around. If you search “Lincoln park coyote” you might find it. If you search “Lincoln park pirates” you’ll find a wonderful song by Steve Goodman.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by NordSteve on Friday March 18, 2022 @10:47PM (#30730442)
GIS map of coyote sightings in Bloomington MN: https://blmgtn-mn.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.ht...
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by kingkawn on Friday March 18, 2022 @04:55PM (#30727403)
It’s because Europe has hunted to extinction nearly every large mammal on the continent that america seems shocking by comparison.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by zeristor on Saturday March 19, 2022 @02:57AM (#30731766)
A large part is down to the trade in beaver pelts Hudson Bay company, and the Russian expansion into Siberia was in large part down to obtaining more beaver pelts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_fur_trade

Beaver pelts have been referred to as ‘soft gold’.

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by rmah on Friday March 18, 2022 @06:41PM (#30728520)
There are 10 to 15 million beavers in N.America. In comparison, there are 400 beavers in the UK.

There are 100's of thousands of bears roaming the US, 10's of thousands of mountain lions, millions of alligators, thousands of wolves, etc. etc.

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by krick on Friday March 18, 2022 @09:13PM (#30729861)
I don't know about England or Spain, but in all of the Eastern Europe wild animals are pretty commonplace and it never occurred to me someone would think of them as some kind of attraction. It's hundreds of occasions that I've seen a beaver, or a fox, or a deer, a hedgehog, a hare, etc., even in cities. I've never personally seen a boar, but it happens for them to stumble into central areas of the city at night as well. So it sounds surprising to me (and kind of sad, honestly) that it's so desolated in Spain. Is there really absolutely no wildlife?
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by justincormack on Saturday March 19, 2022 @05:02AM (#30732288)
Eastern Europe has a lot more forests and lower population density than much of the west, nearer the cities.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by pfdietz on Friday March 18, 2022 @05:13PM (#30727598)
It's very common for white-tailed deer to wander into ones backyard if one lives sufficiently far out in the suburbs. These animals can weigh as much as 135 kg (male) or 90 kg (female). I've had as many as five on them on my property at the same time (upstate NY).

It's a function of lower population density, I think, as well as agriculture tending to have moved to the midwest and plains states. There's been a lot of regeneration of forests in the Eastern US since they were clearcut in the 19th century.

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by beezle on Friday March 18, 2022 @06:06PM (#30728135)
There are deer on Staten Island, not really the suburbs. Unfortunately the only real predators left to take down deer are hunters and cars. People (often hunters) even freak out if a dog chases one.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by rdsnsca on Friday March 18, 2022 @10:25PM (#30730326)
They freak out for a good reason. A pack of dogs will pull down a deer, eats it hind quarters and leave it to die. I had a relative who worked for the Department of Lands and Forest. When he was the FNG he would get called out every few weeks to kill them. After the third one he started carrying a rifle whenever in the woods and shot every unaccompanied dog he saw.
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by lukas099 on Friday March 18, 2022 @06:46PM (#30728580)
In addition to taking out their predators, we have also fragmented ecosystems.

Certain species like deer thrive in the boundaries between two different ecosystem types because they get different resources from both ecosystems.

Humans do not only reduce forest size, but also change the geometry of forests: fragmentation makes the edges more pronounced (increases the perimeter:area ratio)

This harms some animals like large solitary predators who require vast ranges, but helps other species like deer who prefer the edges.

Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by csomar on Friday March 18, 2022 @05:41PM (#30727909)
Re:Beavers back in London after 400-year absence by JoeAltmaier on Saturday March 19, 2022 @12:17PM (#30734999)
Here in Iowa we have mountain lions - maybe 100 in the whole state, but they're here. Very secretive, and a sighting is rare.

I have dozens of deer living on my property. Badgers, skunk, chipmunks. Eagle fly by regularly. Flocks of crows in the thousands will occasionally park in my orchard, then move on.