LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom

Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by pessimizer on Friday March 18, 2022 @12:01PM (#30723900)

This is a bad view of users and people in general. It's also a really bizarre view of the Firefox complainers, who are the ones demanding that the status quo be kept. One can end up in contradictory situations like that when you judge people based purely on how much they agree with you, or with institutions you support. People who hate the thing you hate are not "haters," and people who like the thing you hate are not "sheep." Very few people are choosing their opinions in order to annoy you, or in order to annoy Mozilla.

Supporting the management status quo is the opposite of supporting the product status quo; Firefox now is an absolutely unrecognizable product compared to Firefox 5 years ago. Not coincidentally, Chrome isn't unrecognizable, it's dependable. I wonder why it's successful? Is it because google isn't playing fairly, or because anyone who has ever been satisfied with Chrome has never been given any good reason to leave, while every change in firefox seems tuned to peel off 2% of the userbase?

If there's an effective way Google isn't playing fair, it's probably that they have some indirect but strong influence in directing Firefox development.

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by fabrice_d on Friday March 18, 2022 @12:12PM (#30724064)

Yes, the way they influence Firefox development is called sabotage: https://twitter.com/johnath/status/1116871231792455686

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by mmastrac on Friday March 18, 2022 @12:41PM (#30724441)

I thought this was a bit of a conspiracy theory at the start, but it's starting to feel more likely.

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by parineum on Friday March 18, 2022 @01:26PM (#30725001)

All this looks like to me is Google developers use Chrome (surprise!). I've seen plenty of issues exactly like this at web shops where developers primarily use Chrome.

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by fouc on Friday March 18, 2022 @03:09PM (#30726262)

You missed the part how it was about the conflict of interest. "We're on the same side" wasn't really true.

Especially at the higher level, Mozilla was complicit in accepting money from a competitor.

Make no mistake, that absolutely distorted how they ran the company over the next decade. That's why Firefox is so "meh" right now, why Servo got killed, why Mozilla is being seriously mismanaged.

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by parineum on Saturday March 19, 2022 @12:00AM (#30730857)

I use Firefox. It's not "meh". It does it's job. It's a browser, I don't need bells and whistles.

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by fouc on Monday March 21, 2022 @11:31PM (#30762451)

I don't use any chromium-based browsers

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by kk6mrp on Friday March 18, 2022 @03:41PM (#30726589)

I just can't understand why Chrome can't handle a hundred open tabs if the developers use it primarily. Firefox handles it with about the same RAM usage as six hundred open tabs.

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by mmastrac on Friday March 18, 2022 @12:12PM (#30724047)

The parent of your post is pretty accurate. I've complained about it before, but Firefox is unfairly targeted by an outsized number of complainers here on HN.

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by pessimizer on Friday March 18, 2022 @12:28PM (#30724262)

I disagree that it's unfair or outsized. You're talking about a browser that has lost 95% of its userbase and is financially dependent on its main competitor. The complainers are drawn from the tiny proportion of the people dissatisfied with Firefox development who stayed. The other 98% just fucked off somewhere else like they were told to.

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by mmastrac on Friday March 18, 2022 @12:29PM (#30724290)

"just fucked off somewhere else like they were told to"

Ah yeah, that seems like a completely reasonable interpretation of Mozilla's actions.

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by moonshinefe on Friday March 18, 2022 @02:14PM (#30725624)

Here's a quote directly from you in this very same topic:

> The comments like this from people who will complain about everything are completely valueless.

> We're lucky to have an alternative to the WebKit oligopoly. If you don't like Firefox, just stick with the other browsers and let the rest of us that are trying to prevent a monoculture continue our work.

Looks like you're doing the job just fine by yourself.

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by mmastrac on Friday March 18, 2022 @02:27PM (#30725756)

And from your comment history you seem to be over-blowing telemetry privacy issues yourself.

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Re:LibreWolf – A fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, securi... by dblohm7 on Friday March 18, 2022 @02:12PM (#30725590)

> has lost 95% of its userbase

That's not an accurate number.

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